Yeah, I'll have to buy a WW grip next, unless someone wants to lend it for research π
Yeah, I'll have to buy a WW grip next, unless someone wants to lend it for research 
εbut there is a chance that WW uses their own protocol/encrypted too. I heard of this bcz in China there is a guy who makes "replica" FSSB and when he was asked whether it will support the WW grips, he said something like that, iirc. But if you can someday make a similar approach like you did with the VKB grip, personally I think it'll be just wonderful and enough, in that case the blackbox is just replaced by the Winwing joystick base. So basically an adaptor + daisy chain cable extension.
Wah, interesting
εno worries, VKB grips are just good enough, they have plenty of buttons for emulating almost every available modules in flight sim
KThank you. In a few short words, could you tell me what your product does differently/better than the brunner? Since we're in the early steps of new gen FFB devices, I want to make the most informed decision possible when it comes to ordering one of your bases.
F@khangirey you can start here
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WYeah, I did a quick comparison to the brunner a few posts down that review in the forum
FCould you pin that link @walmis ?
KThanks. A few more questions if you don't mind. I normally play with a VKB grip on a 200mm extension. Moving down to a shorter extension + FFB, will I notice a degradation in resolution/clarity/feeling?
WNo, It has a very good resolution/sensitivity even without an extension. The pivot to grip length is 168mm and total throw is 44 deg.
KThanks. So what I'm understanding is that with the FFB, it makes up for that lowering in length, correct?
WNot sure if I understood, but in general - longer extension, lower max force felt in the stick, also - longer extension- longer throw. The precision is very good in any configuration 
WIt was pinned already
CI build some rudder pedals wit simple parts, targeting planes, but the should do for you as well. What is still missing is the electronic part that can load the motor according to the force acting on the rudder in dependence of the airspeed.
CAnother view...
CThe mechanism has no springs and very low friction. So any force has to come from the motor.
CIs the FFB kit capable of that?
VWhat would need to change to make it more extension friendly? In general when you have such a large base and want to center mount a stick for a seat with a center cutout, the base needs to be mounted below the seat with the extension passing through the cutout. This is why I haven't bought the brunner, because they say it doesn't work well extended and the only thing that does is the $10,000 brunner.
WNot sure if it's a problem though. You can calculate the force, for example with stock Rhino at 9Nm you get: 9/0.168m/10 = ~5.3kg max force, if you extend it to 30cm you get: 9/0.3/10 = 3kg
VFor refernce a VKB base with max springs is like 5nm I belive
Vso your getting greater resistance then most non FFB sticks
WThe hardware is capable, but the software support is lacking for rudder pedals.
PI have firmware compatible with ODrive board (for pedals single axis ODrive will be enough) that supports FBB based on DCS telemetry. It genareates spring from speed (you can setup curve for it) as well as centering force from thrust (emulates air flow around rudder for propeller drive airplanes). In addition it generates vibration depending on AOA and G. So if you have three phase motor you can try it.
JIs that your bldc-ffb-wheel firmware? A hoverboard motor could be a nice drive for pedals.
PIt is further development of it for joystick purposes(two axis + DCS telemetry).
CIΒ΄m targeting the Condor 2 Soaring Simulator. In its Input Section it shows FFB for Stick and Rudder
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CI assume that pedals mean rudder ...
CI agree that the easiest way is to scale a spring curve with the plane velocity. Zero velocity will mean spring rate zero or very low, higher slope if velocity increases.
CWould it make sense to contact the Condor developer team?
CBtw. FFB wit side winder 2 is really good
CJust a little low forcese
WI wonder if Condor/DirectInput supports three axis FFB devices. Or one two axis device and a second one axis device for the rudders. It could be possible to connect three motors to the VPforce FFB system, just hadn't had the chance to test this yet.
CThey adress the MS Sidwinder 2 correctly, no additional drivers needed
CIm using it with a Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog in parallel, no issues or conflicts.
WYeah, VPforce will also work the same as msffb2, just with more force. What is curious for me is the ffb rudder pedals support :)
CThey should hand over the needed data somewhere.
CI will ask them if they can give us a hint.
CRudder will challenge the motor as you have a lot of force in your legs, especially when things do not run well
CSo this has to be strong and needs to handle overload conditions
WThe 86BLF motor should do the job fine for rudders
CI had the idea to have an output connector on the FFB joystick that delivers the airspeed to the rudder pedals.
CThat would be enough to have a scaleable feedback force at the rudder.
CCan you pick this information from the game interface?
WYeah, I have this in my future roadmap
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CIn the meantime I will contact the Condor Team.
CCan I drive a FFB Kit parallel to the joystick?
WHow do you mean?
CI use your FFB/Kit to power up the rudder and use a Joystick that uses the same kit for height and aileron