Correct me if I'm wrong (I've yet to set up the rhino, have to wait for work to stop bugging me), bu

Correct me if I'm wrong (I've yet to set up the rhino, have to wait for work to stop bugging me), but I was under the impression that curves were unneeded on a FFB stick? When I'd use the msffb2, I think I ran into this centering issue with warbirds, I had curves set for my other bases. But after removing, it felt like the curves were unnecessary compared to spring bases? But maybe I'm missing something in regards to the feeling

Wwalmis I'll probably do this in the release after the next one.

peachmonkey•2/24/23, 3:59 PM

you rock, @walmis !

All I can do for you is to continue advertising your awesome product bringing you more business!

SStoned Kakapo Correct me if I'm wrong (I've yet to set up the rhino, have to wait for work to ...

peachmonkey•2/24/23, 4:02 PM

well, there's still a sensitivity issue with the axis themselves, regardless if it's FFB or springed. On Mosquito for example the real-life stick is very long and without curves Mossie is extremely twitchy in pitch axis, with the spring joystick I had to apply a curve of 40 to get it in to a comfort zone, same goes for P47, albeit it needs much less curve. With the german fighters no curves needed, the real-life stick length is more or less comparable to our joysticks.

AndyHill•2/24/23, 4:11 PM

The feel of an FFB stick is nicer than springs for me, but I think the sensitivity is more about the length and throw of the controller

AAndyHill The feel of an FFB stick is nicer than springs for me, but I think the sensitivi...

peachmonkey•2/24/23, 4:32 PM

yes, but to replicate mosquito's length you need it at 120cm or something..

Ppeachmonkey well, there's still a sensitivity issue with the axis themselves, regardless if ...

Stoned KakapoOP•2/24/23, 4:40 PM

Ah I understand now! Especially since my msffb 2 extension is 500mm

SStoned Kakapo Holy shit shipping was fast! Didn't even stop at customs. It'll be here in a cou...

TrigaNZ•2/24/23, 4:43 PM

Are you in NZ?

TTrigaNZ Are you in NZ?

Stoned KakapoOP•2/24/23, 4:44 PM

Nope, just a new yorker who really like kakapos and humps everything like one

TrigaNZ•2/24/23, 4:44 PM

JJon (Bounty_V)At that point we're just doing eagle dynamics job for them

RustBelt•2/25/23, 1:28 AM

I mean, that’s literally their business model.

Fred•2/25/23, 4:08 AM

oooh, I really like the webusb approach to the basic configuration. Better than most joystick testers and firmware updaters

and honestly most windows UI frameworks suck.

SStoned Kakapo Nope, just a new yorker who really like kakapos and humps everything like one

the_r0flcopter•2/25/23, 12:18 PM

Amen to that brother

Warwolf09•2/25/23, 1:11 PM

!status

WWarwolf09 !status

VPforceBot•2/25/23, 1:11 PM

Hey @warwolf09,
So the last Shipped RHINO is #0058 on 2023-02-22
Average waiting time from preorder to shipped is 139 days, median is 156 days, max is 209 days
55 Rhinos are shipped in total

Mmechsicko You're welcome. There's some great discussion on this above, like the bit with t...

LeLv30_Superbus•2/25/23, 2:07 PM

This is what I made to cope with Rhino's throw. I hope someone gets some ideas / learns from my mistakes

Not 100% sure the stick will not hit my chair. The front panel (seen in the back) support is hinged and its upper edge leans on the edge of the table like it used to. Blue marks the position of my old stick mount.

LLeLv30_Superbus This is what I made to cope with Rhino's throw. I hope someone gets some ideas /...

mechsicko•2/25/23, 4:23 PM

Looks like a sensible jig for this purpose but I still limiting the range of motion to be in line with real aircraft with long sticks is still the better solution. You can adjust the throws in the software, but you could also modify the gate the shaft passes through on the top of the base to physically confine it to a suitable throw. Displacement of grip travel is what it's based on... long shaft + short throw to achieve the same distance as short shaft+long throw.

LLeLv30_Superbus This is what I made to cope with Rhino's throw. I hope someone gets some ideas /...

UnbounD_NZ•2/25/23, 11:37 PM

Thats a pretty serious piece of kit on the far right there!!

LeLv30_Superbus•2/26/23, 8:43 PM

My throttle pedestal? Thanks, though its throttles are mediocre at best...I can land on a carrier most of the time but visiting a tanker remains a dream.

Stoned KakapoOP•2/26/23, 9:13 PM

Anyone planning on 3D printing and wiring their own custom grips for the rhino?

Jaeger•2/26/23, 9:20 PM

You mean like that?

JJaeger You mean like that?

Stoned KakapoOP•2/26/23, 9:22 PM

Yep! Sweet B8

I was looking for where to find some resources to make triggers, and PCB to wire all the buttons too (maybe one like virpil to have an axis for brake)

Jaeger•2/26/23, 9:24 PM

The PCB you can get from @walmis .Works like a charm.

JJaeger The PCB you can get from @walmis .Works like a charm.

Stoned KakapoOP•2/26/23, 10:29 PM

Guessing we click other on the order app and write joystick pcb?

SStoned Kakapo Guessing we click other on the order app and write joystick pcb?

TheAmazinGreat•2/27/23, 12:06 AM

Yep, that’s how I did it. “Shift Register PCB” might be a bit more accurate description. I just finished wiring mine last night to fit my current DIY gimbal but planning to make it work with 5pin mini DIN like the TM grips and be swap-able in the next version.

TTheAmazinGreat Yep, that’s how I did it. “Shift Register PCB” might be a bit more accurate desc...

Stoned KakapoOP•2/27/23, 1:36 AM

Nice!! Did you design the trigger on your grip yourself?

SStoned Kakapo Nice!! Did you design the trigger on your grip yourself?

TheAmazinGreat•2/27/23, 2:21 AM

Yep, I used two micro switches to get a dual stage trigger effect. The spring tabs on the switches helped with the reset but I ended up having to help it out a bit with a pen spring.

JJaeger You mean like that?

Will3D•2/27/23, 7:38 PM

Nice, is that design available ? Did you design from scratch?

Jaeger•2/27/23, 7:45 PM

Nope... I did nothing but building it. Check it out here

Jaeger•2/27/23, 7:46 PM

https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:5764003

Century Series Grip - F-4 Phantom Joystick + Many Aircraft by TheSi...

Update 02/02/23 - Added F-5E Grip + Alternate HAT switches (assembly video to follow)
This is a functional 3D print for a PC Joystick Grip compatible with the Thrustmaster Warthog Base and Virpil Mongoose/WarBRD Base.
Highly accurate replica of the grip used in many "Century Series" aircraft and Helicopters from the F-4 Phantom to the F-5 Tiger...

RustBelt•2/27/23, 11:00 PM

Woah! That one has the fully independent Otto style trigger! Just that alone is worth the download! Those things are Crazy expensive and I’ve never found a 3-D print version before this!

RRustBelt Woah! That one has the fully independent Otto style trigger! Just that alone is ...

smitty•2/27/23, 11:06 PM

wow you werent kidding

RustBelt•2/27/23, 11:37 PM

Yea I happily pay the Otto tax on the buttons. But triggers and hats are bananas money.

ddrake1984•2/27/23, 11:46 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1662KdReFiE

YouTubeRight Rudder - Left Stick

P1-1 OTTO 3D printed replicas

Download STL's here:
https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:5654238

The second one is designed to fit on a flange for B8 style grips

RustBelt•2/28/23, 2:56 AM

Nice. I can save the P1 for real stuff like the ones in my lemons car!

Boosted•2/28/23, 3:52 AM

nooooo, lemons deserves the 3d printed stuff, lol.

JJayPi This base is printed in PLA, 70% infill, 5 massive bottom and top layer. The scr...

Kalixto•2/28/23, 3:52 AM

are you using your modified gimbal?

Ssmitty wow you werent kidding

mechsicko•2/28/23, 7:25 AM

The more common ones like in F-16 can be found for like $100-$150 https://peerlesselectronics.com/u2-025-switch

Peerless Electronics Inc.

U2-025 - SWITCH

U2-025, M8805/111-04 OTTO Controls U2-025 precision mil spec switch. 2 pole Black housing, red button. Two-Step. Actuating force of 2.25 lbs. to make the first pole. Additional force of 6.5 lbs. passing through a detent to actuate the second pole. 0.762" +/- 0.025" width. Rated 7 amps resistive @ 28VDC Electrical life 50,000 cycles RoH...

Smorgus•2/28/23, 7:39 AM

What is the approximate wait time for the 86blf04 kits?

Ye Old Grog•2/28/23, 8:43 AM

Ooh, this talk gives me ideas. Otto has 2 stage pushbuttons.
I have moved away from the stick trigger for guns and have been using buttons on the throttle. Like the Japanese did. I have been missing the 2 stage though...

SSmorgus What is the approximate wait time for the 86blf04 kits?

walmis•2/28/23, 11:18 AM

It's quick, could ship this week.

General Kenobi•2/28/23, 4:43 PM

If build a flight stick using the motor kits do I need hall effect sensors for the two axis or do the motors also work as axis sensors?

smitty•2/28/23, 4:52 PM

the motor encoders are the axis sensors

General Kenobi•2/28/23, 4:53 PM

That's actually really neat

General Kenobi•2/28/23, 4:54 PM

Makes it a lot easier to build yourself

General Kenobi•2/28/23, 4:54 PM

i bet

General Kenobi•2/28/23, 4:55 PM

You need a separate controller for the buttons on the joystick though don't you?

GGeneral Kenobi You need a separate controller for the buttons on the joystick though don't you?

walmis•2/28/23, 5:24 PM

Yeah, a shift register board. I have those in stock too

GGeneral Kenobi Makes it a lot easier to build yourself

mechsicko•2/28/23, 5:40 PM

Walmis has managed to turn a rather complicated affair into astonishing simplicity with hardware centered on practical choices. Nothing short of amazing.. making gimbals are the easy/fun part.

AndyHill•2/28/23, 9:31 PM

I did some experimenting and wrote sort of an introductionish thing to the manual

AndyHill•2/28/23, 9:32 PM

I noticed that currently everything is under 1) Introduction

AndyHill•2/28/23, 9:32 PM

I suggest moving all the major sections away from there and make them their own thing

Correct me if I'm wrong (I've yet to set up the rhino, have to wait for work to stop bugging me), bu

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