This is what I made to cope with Rhino's throw. I hope someone gets some ideas / learns from my mist

This is what I made to cope with Rhino's throw. I hope someone gets some ideas / learns from my mistakes

Not 100% sure the stick will not hit my chair. The front panel (seen in the back) support is hinged and its upper edge leans on the edge of the table like it used to. Blue marks the position of my old stick mount.

LLeLv30_Superbus This is what I made to cope with Rhino's throw. I hope someone gets some ideas /...

mechsicko•2/25/23, 4:23 PM

Looks like a sensible jig for this purpose but I still limiting the range of motion to be in line with real aircraft with long sticks is still the better solution. You can adjust the throws in the software, but you could also modify the gate the shaft passes through on the top of the base to physically confine it to a suitable throw. Displacement of grip travel is what it's based on... long shaft + short throw to achieve the same distance as short shaft+long throw.

LLeLv30_Superbus This is what I made to cope with Rhino's throw. I hope someone gets some ideas /...

UnbounD_NZ•2/25/23, 11:37 PM

Thats a pretty serious piece of kit on the far right there!!

LeLv30_SuperbusOP•2/26/23, 8:43 PM

My throttle pedestal? Thanks, though its throttles are mediocre at best...I can land on a carrier most of the time but visiting a tanker remains a dream.

Stoned Kakapo•2/26/23, 9:13 PM

Anyone planning on 3D printing and wiring their own custom grips for the rhino?

Jaeger•2/26/23, 9:20 PM

You mean like that?

JJaeger You mean like that?

Stoned Kakapo•2/26/23, 9:22 PM

Yep! Sweet B8

I was looking for where to find some resources to make triggers, and PCB to wire all the buttons too (maybe one like virpil to have an axis for brake)

Jaeger•2/26/23, 9:24 PM

The PCB you can get from @walmis .Works like a charm.

JJaeger The PCB you can get from @walmis .Works like a charm.

Stoned Kakapo•2/26/23, 10:29 PM

Guessing we click other on the order app and write joystick pcb?

SStoned Kakapo Guessing we click other on the order app and write joystick pcb?

TheAmazinGreat•2/27/23, 12:06 AM

Yep, that’s how I did it. “Shift Register PCB” might be a bit more accurate description. I just finished wiring mine last night to fit my current DIY gimbal but planning to make it work with 5pin mini DIN like the TM grips and be swap-able in the next version.

TTheAmazinGreat Yep, that’s how I did it. “Shift Register PCB” might be a bit more accurate desc...

Stoned Kakapo•2/27/23, 1:36 AM

Nice!! Did you design the trigger on your grip yourself?

SStoned Kakapo Nice!! Did you design the trigger on your grip yourself?

TheAmazinGreat•2/27/23, 2:21 AM

Yep, I used two micro switches to get a dual stage trigger effect. The spring tabs on the switches helped with the reset but I ended up having to help it out a bit with a pen spring.

JJaeger You mean like that?

Will3D•2/27/23, 7:38 PM

Nice, is that design available ? Did you design from scratch?

Jaeger•2/27/23, 7:45 PM

Nope... I did nothing but building it. Check it out here

Jaeger•2/27/23, 7:46 PM

https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:5764003

Century Series Grip - F-4 Phantom Joystick + Many Aircraft by TheSi...

Update 02/02/23 - Added F-5E Grip + Alternate HAT switches (assembly video to follow)
This is a functional 3D print for a PC Joystick Grip compatible with the Thrustmaster Warthog Base and Virpil Mongoose/WarBRD Base.
Highly accurate replica of the grip used in many "Century Series" aircraft and Helicopters from the F-4 Phantom to the F-5 Tiger...

RustBelt•2/27/23, 11:00 PM

Woah! That one has the fully independent Otto style trigger! Just that alone is worth the download! Those things are Crazy expensive and I’ve never found a 3-D print version before this!

RRustBelt Woah! That one has the fully independent Otto style trigger! Just that alone is ...

smitty•2/27/23, 11:06 PM

wow you werent kidding

RustBelt•2/27/23, 11:37 PM

Yea I happily pay the Otto tax on the buttons. But triggers and hats are bananas money.

ddrake1984•2/27/23, 11:46 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1662KdReFiE

YouTubeRight Rudder - Left Stick

P1-1 OTTO 3D printed replicas

Download STL's here:
https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:5654238

The second one is designed to fit on a flange for B8 style grips

RustBelt•2/28/23, 2:56 AM

Nice. I can save the P1 for real stuff like the ones in my lemons car!

Boosted•2/28/23, 3:52 AM

nooooo, lemons deserves the 3d printed stuff, lol.

JJayPi This base is printed in PLA, 70% infill, 5 massive bottom and top layer. The scr...

Kalixto•2/28/23, 3:52 AM

are you using your modified gimbal?

Ssmitty wow you werent kidding

mechsicko•2/28/23, 7:25 AM

The more common ones like in F-16 can be found for like $100-$150 https://peerlesselectronics.com/u2-025-switch

Peerless Electronics Inc.

U2-025 - SWITCH

U2-025, M8805/111-04 OTTO Controls U2-025 precision mil spec switch. 2 pole Black housing, red button. Two-Step. Actuating force of 2.25 lbs. to make the first pole. Additional force of 6.5 lbs. passing through a detent to actuate the second pole. 0.762" +/- 0.025" width. Rated 7 amps resistive @ 28VDC Electrical life 50,000 cycles RoH...

Smorgus•2/28/23, 7:39 AM

What is the approximate wait time for the 86blf04 kits?

Ye Old Grog•2/28/23, 8:43 AM

Ooh, this talk gives me ideas. Otto has 2 stage pushbuttons.
I have moved away from the stick trigger for guns and have been using buttons on the throttle. Like the Japanese did. I have been missing the 2 stage though...

SSmorgus What is the approximate wait time for the 86blf04 kits?

walmis•2/28/23, 11:18 AM

It's quick, could ship this week.

General Kenobi•2/28/23, 4:43 PM

If build a flight stick using the motor kits do I need hall effect sensors for the two axis or do the motors also work as axis sensors?

smitty•2/28/23, 4:52 PM

the motor encoders are the axis sensors

General Kenobi•2/28/23, 4:53 PM

That's actually really neat

General Kenobi•2/28/23, 4:54 PM

Makes it a lot easier to build yourself

General Kenobi•2/28/23, 4:54 PM

i bet

General Kenobi•2/28/23, 4:55 PM

You need a separate controller for the buttons on the joystick though don't you?

GGeneral Kenobi You need a separate controller for the buttons on the joystick though don't you?

walmis•2/28/23, 5:24 PM

Yeah, a shift register board. I have those in stock too

GGeneral Kenobi Makes it a lot easier to build yourself

mechsicko•2/28/23, 5:40 PM

Walmis has managed to turn a rather complicated affair into astonishing simplicity with hardware centered on practical choices. Nothing short of amazing.. making gimbals are the easy/fun part.

AndyHill•2/28/23, 9:31 PM

I did some experimenting and wrote sort of an introductionish thing to the manual

AndyHill•2/28/23, 9:32 PM

I noticed that currently everything is under 1) Introduction

AndyHill•2/28/23, 9:32 PM

I suggest moving all the major sections away from there and make them their own thing

AndyHill•2/28/23, 9:34 PM

Also if it's up to me I'd keep both the intro and the "getting started" -thing very simple and to the point, basically a short intro + spec sheet in the introduction and whatever you need to do to get the thing connected and powered up and the software running in the getting started part

ddrake1984•2/28/23, 10:25 PM

I setup endstops for F18c and it functions pretty well, tho I might setup some dampening at the ends also to reduce oscillation / bounce from endstops. Anyone have experience with setting them both up? Also whats the best way to calibrate with end stops

Vulcan•2/28/23, 11:10 PM

I set my end stops at 50% and I get pretty bad oscillation. I always have to remember to hit the estop button when I leave the pit because it's possible for the stick, if it gets bumped slightly, to start an uncontrolled self destruct sequence

Vulcan•2/28/23, 11:11 PM

Tried messing with the dampening setting but couldn't tell if it was helping or if it was just placebo

Vulcan•2/28/23, 11:12 PM

It certainly did not reduce them to the point where I felt safe leaving the pit with it on!

Vulcan•2/28/23, 11:14 PM

I thought it was weird that the oscillating occurred even with endstop power set to 0. I thought it was the endstop power pushing the stick back to center that was the cause of the feedback loop but I guess not

AndyHill•2/28/23, 11:33 PM

If nobody objects I will soonish mangle the manual into horrible shape and fill it with weird stuffs

AndyHill•2/28/23, 11:34 PM

silence is complicity

ddrake1984•2/28/23, 11:55 PM

I have endstop for X at 50% with 100% force and Y (+) at 50% with 100% force and Y (-) at 100% with 100% force

ddrake1984•2/28/23, 11:56 PM

I always turn on the RHINO when I am seated and ready to play and turn it off when I am finished

Ssmitty the motor encoders are the axis sensors

Smorgus•3/1/23, 1:13 AM

Does this mean you can’t have a gear reduction resulting in a greater than 360 degree rotation of the motor? Is there any way around this?

SSmorgus Does this mean you can’t have a gear reduction resulting in a greater than 360 d...

Smorgus•3/1/23, 2:02 AM

Doing some quick math, this probabaly wont be an issue. A 10x gear reduction would still give me 36 degrees of play which is perfectly fine

AndyHill•3/1/23, 2:03 AM

I'm not an expert but afaik doing several rotations is not a showstopper, you just need some way of telling which rotation you're on at any given time

smitty•3/1/23, 3:14 AM

i believe you can go past 360 without issue, its just that you have to be in the center when you power it up. the encoder goes from 0 to 4096, but will happily read values like -1000 to 5000 if you go beyond. If you power it up with the stick at -1000, it will think its at 3096.

This is what I made to cope with Rhino's throw. I hope someone gets some ideas / learns from my mist

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