Yep, that’s how I did it. “Shift Register PCB” might be a bit more accurate description. I just fini

Yep, that’s how I did it. “Shift Register PCB” might be a bit more accurate description. I just finished wiring mine last night to fit my current DIY gimbal but planning to make it work with 5pin mini DIN like the TM grips and be swap-able in the next version.

TTheAmazinGreat Yep, that’s how I did it. “Shift Register PCB” might be a bit more accurate desc...

Stoned Kakapo•2/27/23, 1:36 AM

Nice!! Did you design the trigger on your grip yourself?

SStoned Kakapo Nice!! Did you design the trigger on your grip yourself?

TheAmazinGreatOP•2/27/23, 2:21 AM

Yep, I used two micro switches to get a dual stage trigger effect. The spring tabs on the switches helped with the reset but I ended up having to help it out a bit with a pen spring.

JJaeger You mean like that?

Will3D•2/27/23, 7:38 PM

Nice, is that design available ? Did you design from scratch?

Jaeger•2/27/23, 7:45 PM

Nope... I did nothing but building it. Check it out here

Jaeger•2/27/23, 7:46 PM

https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:5764003

Century Series Grip - F-4 Phantom Joystick + Many Aircraft by TheSi...

Update 02/02/23 - Added F-5E Grip + Alternate HAT switches (assembly video to follow)
This is a functional 3D print for a PC Joystick Grip compatible with the Thrustmaster Warthog Base and Virpil Mongoose/WarBRD Base.
Highly accurate replica of the grip used in many "Century Series" aircraft and Helicopters from the F-4 Phantom to the F-5 Tiger...

RustBelt•2/27/23, 11:00 PM

Woah! That one has the fully independent Otto style trigger! Just that alone is worth the download! Those things are Crazy expensive and I’ve never found a 3-D print version before this!

RRustBelt Woah! That one has the fully independent Otto style trigger! Just that alone is ...

smitty•2/27/23, 11:06 PM

wow you werent kidding

RustBelt•2/27/23, 11:37 PM

Yea I happily pay the Otto tax on the buttons. But triggers and hats are bananas money.

ddrake1984•2/27/23, 11:46 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1662KdReFiE

YouTubeRight Rudder - Left Stick

P1-1 OTTO 3D printed replicas

Download STL's here:
https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:5654238

The second one is designed to fit on a flange for B8 style grips

RustBelt•2/28/23, 2:56 AM

Nice. I can save the P1 for real stuff like the ones in my lemons car!

Boosted•2/28/23, 3:52 AM

nooooo, lemons deserves the 3d printed stuff, lol.

JJayPi This base is printed in PLA, 70% infill, 5 massive bottom and top layer. The scr...

Kalixto•2/28/23, 3:52 AM

are you using your modified gimbal?

Ssmitty wow you werent kidding

mechsicko•2/28/23, 7:25 AM

The more common ones like in F-16 can be found for like $100-$150 https://peerlesselectronics.com/u2-025-switch

Peerless Electronics Inc.

U2-025 - SWITCH

U2-025, M8805/111-04 OTTO Controls U2-025 precision mil spec switch. 2 pole Black housing, red button. Two-Step. Actuating force of 2.25 lbs. to make the first pole. Additional force of 6.5 lbs. passing through a detent to actuate the second pole. 0.762" +/- 0.025" width. Rated 7 amps resistive @ 28VDC Electrical life 50,000 cycles RoH...

Smorgus•2/28/23, 7:39 AM

What is the approximate wait time for the 86blf04 kits?

Ye Old Grog•2/28/23, 8:43 AM

Ooh, this talk gives me ideas. Otto has 2 stage pushbuttons.
I have moved away from the stick trigger for guns and have been using buttons on the throttle. Like the Japanese did. I have been missing the 2 stage though...

SSmorgus What is the approximate wait time for the 86blf04 kits?

walmis•2/28/23, 11:18 AM

It's quick, could ship this week.

General Kenobi•2/28/23, 4:43 PM

If build a flight stick using the motor kits do I need hall effect sensors for the two axis or do the motors also work as axis sensors?

smitty•2/28/23, 4:52 PM

the motor encoders are the axis sensors

General Kenobi•2/28/23, 4:53 PM

That's actually really neat

General Kenobi•2/28/23, 4:54 PM

Makes it a lot easier to build yourself

General Kenobi•2/28/23, 4:54 PM

i bet

General Kenobi•2/28/23, 4:55 PM

You need a separate controller for the buttons on the joystick though don't you?

GGeneral Kenobi You need a separate controller for the buttons on the joystick though don't you?

walmis•2/28/23, 5:24 PM

Yeah, a shift register board. I have those in stock too

GGeneral Kenobi Makes it a lot easier to build yourself

mechsicko•2/28/23, 5:40 PM

Walmis has managed to turn a rather complicated affair into astonishing simplicity with hardware centered on practical choices. Nothing short of amazing.. making gimbals are the easy/fun part.

AndyHill•2/28/23, 9:31 PM

I did some experimenting and wrote sort of an introductionish thing to the manual

AndyHill•2/28/23, 9:32 PM

I noticed that currently everything is under 1) Introduction

AndyHill•2/28/23, 9:32 PM

I suggest moving all the major sections away from there and make them their own thing

AndyHill•2/28/23, 9:34 PM

Also if it's up to me I'd keep both the intro and the "getting started" -thing very simple and to the point, basically a short intro + spec sheet in the introduction and whatever you need to do to get the thing connected and powered up and the software running in the getting started part

ddrake1984•2/28/23, 10:25 PM

I setup endstops for F18c and it functions pretty well, tho I might setup some dampening at the ends also to reduce oscillation / bounce from endstops. Anyone have experience with setting them both up? Also whats the best way to calibrate with end stops

Vulcan•2/28/23, 11:10 PM

I set my end stops at 50% and I get pretty bad oscillation. I always have to remember to hit the estop button when I leave the pit because it's possible for the stick, if it gets bumped slightly, to start an uncontrolled self destruct sequence

Vulcan•2/28/23, 11:11 PM

Tried messing with the dampening setting but couldn't tell if it was helping or if it was just placebo

Vulcan•2/28/23, 11:12 PM

It certainly did not reduce them to the point where I felt safe leaving the pit with it on!

Vulcan•2/28/23, 11:14 PM

I thought it was weird that the oscillating occurred even with endstop power set to 0. I thought it was the endstop power pushing the stick back to center that was the cause of the feedback loop but I guess not

AndyHill•2/28/23, 11:33 PM

If nobody objects I will soonish mangle the manual into horrible shape and fill it with weird stuffs

AndyHill•2/28/23, 11:34 PM

silence is complicity

ddrake1984•2/28/23, 11:55 PM

I have endstop for X at 50% with 100% force and Y (+) at 50% with 100% force and Y (-) at 100% with 100% force

ddrake1984•2/28/23, 11:56 PM

I always turn on the RHINO when I am seated and ready to play and turn it off when I am finished

Ssmitty the motor encoders are the axis sensors

Smorgus•3/1/23, 1:13 AM

Does this mean you can’t have a gear reduction resulting in a greater than 360 degree rotation of the motor? Is there any way around this?

SSmorgus Does this mean you can’t have a gear reduction resulting in a greater than 360 d...

Smorgus•3/1/23, 2:02 AM

Doing some quick math, this probabaly wont be an issue. A 10x gear reduction would still give me 36 degrees of play which is perfectly fine

AndyHill•3/1/23, 2:03 AM

I'm not an expert but afaik doing several rotations is not a showstopper, you just need some way of telling which rotation you're on at any given time

smitty•3/1/23, 3:14 AM

i believe you can go past 360 without issue, its just that you have to be in the center when you power it up. the encoder goes from 0 to 4096, but will happily read values like -1000 to 5000 if you go beyond. If you power it up with the stick at -1000, it will think its at 3096.

Boosted•3/1/23, 5:02 AM

the way non-direct drive wheels solve this is they do a "motion range" spin on power up to recenter itself. Doing this with a stick sounds like playing wackfuck every time you power it up

BBoosted the way non-direct drive wheels solve this is they do a "motion range" spin on p...

PiNKSH!T•3/1/23, 5:04 AM

Don't know if it's even possible & I'm sure if it is it'd be a lot of extra work, but what about a clutch system so the motors could do the start up calibration without moving the stick?

Boosted•3/1/23, 5:07 AM

seems more simple to have it do the motion range thing, but at a slow pace

RustBelt•3/1/23, 5:16 AM

Another alternative is to do like a 3d Printer and have it home to a set of end stops. Presumably in a direction away from your crotch.

Snubblaren•3/1/23, 1:29 PM

Is their spec sheet somewhere for the "joystick" ?

AndyHill•3/1/23, 1:42 PM

maybe soon

keem85•3/1/23, 3:00 PM

Hey @walmis I was wondering about third party grips. Do you think it would be possible to add grips like Komodo EC145 or OE-XAM grips to this base?
Or would it require additional soldering perhaps?

I can't seem to find any helicopter grips that would fit the Rhino

Kkeem85 Hey @walmis I was wondering about third party grips. Do you think it would be po...

walmis•3/1/23, 3:19 PM

Yeah an adapter would be needed. Either using a shift register to wire the buttons or using a microcontroller to translate the signals.

Reed•3/1/23, 3:24 PM

Speaking of grips, how does the rhino handle the thrust master warthog versus the virpil alpha their weight is substantially different

Yep, that’s how I did it. “Shift Register PCB” might be a bit more accurate description. I just fini

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