I liked the GF3 a lot even though the virpil base was my favorite largely because of the ease of use

I liked the GF3 a lot even though the virpil base was my favorite largely because of the ease of use but also because of zero center detent, which is a personal preference of mine

Naudiz•4/2/23, 1:12 AM

Whenever they call me up and tell me I’ve won the lottery that I don’t participate in, I’ll get one immediately

AAndyHill I liked the GF3 a lot even though the virpil base was my favorite largely becaus...

Naudiz•4/2/23, 1:13 AM

Oh that’s on the GF too, the space cams have no detent there

AndyHillOP•4/2/23, 1:13 AM

There's always a nigerian prince out there that needs your help

AndyHillOP•4/2/23, 1:13 AM

my spaces (soft center) did have a bit of a detent

AndyHillOP•4/2/23, 1:13 AM

not much, but I could tell when I hit it

AndyHillOP•4/2/23, 1:13 AM

not that it bothered me at all

Naudiz•4/2/23, 1:14 AM

Ah hasn’t been noticable but I largely use the Avia-S to get a proper centering

AndyHillOP•4/2/23, 1:14 AM

also very few things ever are actual dreams in this business

AndyHillOP•4/2/23, 1:14 AM

there are always compromises

Naudiz•4/2/23, 1:14 AM

But as you mentioned my main struggle with the GF has been the dampening vs. centering issue

AndyHillOP•4/2/23, 1:14 AM

so far I'm extremely impressed by the Rhino, though, but I can't say anything about durability etc.

AndyHillOP•4/2/23, 1:16 AM

I tried all the bases with all the settings, trying to find the least springy and most airflowy feel and failed

AndyHillOP•4/2/23, 1:16 AM

The Rhino was the answer to that

AndyHillOP•4/2/23, 1:16 AM

even without force effects

Naudiz•4/2/23, 1:16 AM

Another concern I had was a guy on youtube having it overheat after about 90 minutes of stress testing. That’s admittedly a lot, but I do tend to use it for very long DCS sessions now and then, so maybe that could be relevant to me

NNaudiz Is the software solution to that seamless? Or does it detect it as two different...

PiNKSH!T•4/2/23, 1:16 AM

Hey m8, not sure if this got covered or not but, Walmis has made a Loopback app that can effectively make any grip show up as apart of the Rhino base, then use something like HID Hide to stop the sim/game from seeing the joystick separately. I do this for my VKB KG12 v2 grip in IL2 as I have reached the 8 usb limit for that sim.

NNaudiz Another concern I had was a guy on youtube having it overheat after about 90 min...

PiNKSH!T•4/2/23, 1:17 AM

Was that a VPforce Rhino or a Brunner?

AndyHillOP•4/2/23, 1:17 AM

8 USB limit should be listed as a mortal sin in the bible

PPiNKSH!T Hey m8, not sure if this got covered or not but, Walmis has made a Loopback app ...

Naudiz•4/2/23, 1:17 AM

Oh that’s perfect if that’s the case, so it just becomes one unit in the game?

PPiNKSH!T Was that a VPforce Rhino or a Brunner?

Naudiz•4/2/23, 1:18 AM

The Rhino specifically, I got the impression the Brunner isn’t that desirable in comparison

AndyHillOP•4/2/23, 1:18 AM

I don't think I've actually tested loopback for that

NNaudiz Oh that’s perfect if that’s the case, so it just becomes one unit in the game?

PiNKSH!T•4/2/23, 1:18 AM

yep, use the VPforce Loopback app to "join" the grip & base, then use HIDHide to hide the joystick from whatever sim you choose

AndyHillOP•4/2/23, 1:18 AM

that's an interesting point I missed actually

NNaudiz The Rhino specifically, I got the impression the Brunner isn’t that desirable in...

PiNKSH!T•4/2/23, 1:18 AM

Hang on, you saw a YT vid of a Rhino overheating in 90 seconds? Or did I missunderstand?

AndyHillOP•4/2/23, 1:19 AM

minutes

PPiNKSH!T Hang on, you saw a YT vid of a Rhino overheating in 90 seconds? Or did I missund...

Naudiz•4/2/23, 1:19 AM

Minutes

Naudiz•4/2/23, 1:19 AM

Seconds would be pretty funny though

AAndyHill that's an interesting point I missed actually

PiNKSH!T•4/2/23, 1:19 AM

it's really handy, if I wasn't so lazy I would redo all my DCS binds like that too

AndyHillOP•4/2/23, 1:20 AM

I got it to overheat when testing, but it was not very dramatic

Naudiz•4/2/23, 1:20 AM

I don’t think “overheating” is necessarily the right term, but the reviewer mentions heat protection measures when it hit 50 degrees

AndyHillOP•4/2/23, 1:20 AM

it happens if you fly horribly out of trim (DR1 in Il-2) for extended period of time

AAndyHill it happens if you fly horribly out of trim (DR1 in Il-2) for extended period of ...

Naudiz•4/2/23, 1:21 AM

“Horribly out of trim” is usually how people describe my flying style anyways

NNaudiz Minutes

PiNKSH!T•4/2/23, 1:21 AM

oh, sorry just miss read, that's funny I've played IL2 for a good few hours before & had no trouble, DCS lately has just been training missions though doing those for a good couple hrs at a time I never even heard the fans kick in very loud, or at all really, got a link?

AndyHillOP•4/2/23, 1:21 AM

do note that by the time you reach that point you will probably feel like you've been wrestling with the plane

AndyHillOP•4/2/23, 1:22 AM

it's also one of the compromises FFB sticks all tend to make

PPiNKSH!T oh, sorry just miss read, that's funny I've played IL2 for a good few hours befo...

Naudiz•4/2/23, 1:22 AM

Yep, it was a stress test for the purpose of overheating it, but my concern is primarily that I would be using it less intensely but for multiple hours at a time

https://youtu.be/-s66xV3URy4

YouTubeAntti Ilomäki

VPForce Rhino stress test live

I'm not ready to state anything conclusive as of yet, so here's basically a live recording of some stress testing. Jump to the relevant bits if you wish, but should you want to, you can just watch the whole thing and see exactly what happens in-game while I run the test.

Unfortunately I had some problems with sound cutting out, but you should ...

NNaudiz I don’t think “overheating” is necessarily the right term, but the reviewer ment...

PiNKSH!T•4/2/23, 1:23 AM

ahh ok, I'll have to keep an eye on the temps more & maybe try some stress test flying to see what temps I get

AndyHillOP•4/2/23, 1:23 AM

the ability to provide max force indefinitely requires either incredible cooling or setting the forces really low

AndyHillOP•4/2/23, 1:23 AM

that's actually me, btw

AAndyHill that's actually me, btw

Naudiz•4/2/23, 1:23 AM

Oh really lol

AndyHillOP•4/2/23, 1:23 AM

yeah wouldn't trust that dude very much

Naudiz•4/2/23, 1:24 AM

Have I been sat explaining your own review to you this whole time

AndyHillOP•4/2/23, 1:24 AM

not really, it's not a review as such

AndyHillOP•4/2/23, 1:24 AM

unfortunately you can't quite see the adapter in that vid

Naudiz•4/2/23, 1:24 AM

You should definitely consider a similar video on some DCS modules if you do use those

NNaudiz Yep, it was a stress test for the purpose of overheating it, but my concern is p...

PiNKSH!T•4/2/23, 1:25 AM

well like I mentioned above I can say that I've used it for maybe upto 3hrs on IL2 hard to say how much on DCS lately but a lot of training missions for at least 2 - 3 hrs I've only seen temps at 34*

PPiNKSH!T well like I mentioned above I can say that I've used it for maybe upto 3hrs on I...

Naudiz•4/2/23, 1:25 AM

Probably shouldn’t be too bad then, my room tends to be a little too cold anyways

Naudiz•4/2/23, 1:25 AM

So the fans would benefit

AndyHillOP•4/2/23, 1:26 AM

one thing with overheating is that planes tend to run out of either fuel or energy or both fairly quickly in a dogfight so you won't be yanking on the stick for hours

AndyHillOP•4/2/23, 1:27 AM

also if you're so inclined, the Rhino allows you to cheat by giving you a trim on all planes

I liked the GF3 a lot even though the virpil base was my favorite largely because of the ease of use

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