`376 Rhinos to go!` 😭 but I know it will be worth it when the time comes!

376 Rhinos to go!

376 Rhinos to go!

376 Rhinos to go!

376 Rhinos to go!

but I know it will be worth it when the time comes!

Wwalmis I'm starting to think curves with FFB are a bit too complicated. Let's say we tr...

peachmonkey•4/28/23, 3:19 PM

hi, @walmis, how are ya..
wondering if you had a chance to look at the Mossie yet.
Wanted to bring up a following point when dealing with the curves and your comment that small inputs will cause large outputs: Mosquito's full range of Y axis motion (elevator) is very high, to the point where such high elevator deflection actually serves no purpose during the flight/operation of the aircraft. Meaning there's no practical reason for reaching 1:-1, or even 0.5:-0.5. If you introduce a saturation and the ability to make the curves even flatter then it can possibly be a solution for this bird. The main problem here, obviously, is that it'll be a Mossie specific solution only..

peachmonkey•4/28/23, 3:19 PM

superbird1011•4/28/23, 11:01 PM

Does MSFS support FFB? One of my biggest reasons for wanting it is for Reno

SShaz `376 Rhinos to go!` 😭 but I know it will be worth it when the time comes!

superbird1011•4/28/23, 11:02 PM

Jeez thats double mine! I get that @walmis is building them as fast as he can. I’m just hoping theres a way to ramp up production soon!

Ssuperbird1011 Does MSFS support FFB? One of my biggest reasons for wanting it is for Reno

amadeus•4/28/23, 11:10 PM

not out of the box, right now you have to use a third party app, costs a few bucks, and does take a bit of work and configuration to feel good, but not gonna be as good as like, F-14 in DCS or even most of the IL2 planes

superbird1011•4/28/23, 11:11 PM

Still beats my current setup of t16000m fcs i bet lol

amadeus•4/28/23, 11:38 PM

oh no doubt

amadeus•4/28/23, 11:38 PM

and even if you can't get the settings right, you can still just make the rhino feel really nicely dampened in a way that no spring based joystick out there (even with dampeners) will feel like

amadeus•4/28/23, 11:39 PM

like, i'll never want to play a flight sim without the rhino or something equivalent again tbh

TC-Durham•4/29/23, 1:00 AM

Would it be a good idea to set up a profiles channel for us to post each other profiles with the filenames:

TC-Durham•4/29/23, 1:03 AM

{Username}{GripName}{SimulatorName}{ModuleName}{mm-dd-yy}

TC-Durham•4/29/23, 1:07 AM

Durham_VPC_T-50CM2_DCS_AH64D_04-28-23.vpconf6.1KB

TC-Durham•4/29/23, 1:07 AM

Like that?

Ssuperbird1011 Does MSFS support FFB? One of my biggest reasons for wanting it is for Reno

PiNKSH!T•4/29/23, 1:47 AM

Walmis is working on adding msfs2020 support to his telemetry app. So eventually we can just use that which I think will be a lot better than XPForce or whatever other options might be out there.

superbird1011•4/29/23, 4:46 AM

How hard is it to build myself from the kit. I really want to get using an FFB stick and I have the time for a little project. Only issue is that I have very little DIY and electronics experience/knowledge.

Jon (Bounty_V)•4/29/23, 5:28 AM

probably pretty hard if you don't have any prior experience, knowledge, or tools

Stoned Kakapo•4/29/23, 3:49 PM

anyone currently adding FFB to their mfg crosswinds?

would love to follow along

ags•4/29/23, 3:50 PM

Got mine, tried in the Tomcat, wow. Really nice.
It will take a few modifications to my simpit to fit.. but really nice work @walmis!

TTC-Durham {Username}_{GripName}_{SimulatorName}_{ModuleName}_{mm-dd-yy}

walmis•4/29/23, 4:12 PM

Created a post in the #

knowledge-base : 📙knowledge-baseRhino Profile Sharing

SStoned Kakapo anyone currently adding FFB to their mfg crosswinds? 😄 would love to follow alo...

walmis•4/29/23, 4:13 PM

I was ready to purchase a set for testing, but they're out of stock

SStoned Kakapo anyone currently adding FFB to their mfg crosswinds? 😄 would love to follow alo...

William Oakes•4/29/23, 4:20 PM

Yep, I'm somewhat along that path. I'll post some details when I get a chance.

Wwalmis I was ready to purchase a set for testing, but they're out of stock 🙁

Stoned Kakapo•4/29/23, 4:36 PM

Oh wow sorry to hear that

haven't seen em sold out in a while, glad to see it's still as popular as ever though!

Stoned Kakapo•4/29/23, 4:37 PM

I'm also kind of curious to try out rhino in scam(star) citizen

Wwalmis I was ready to purchase a set for testing, but they're out of stock 🙁

Virus•4/29/23, 4:59 PM

If you ship me parts i would be happy to be your tester

Joking aside i have an mfg V3 with dampers if needed

Number481•4/29/23, 5:09 PM

Since I got my Rhino ship notification, I’ve been staring at my Virpil Ace pedals thinking about how I could add a motor to them

Sunshine•4/29/23, 5:10 PM

So Brunner finally came out with Direct X support.. Tried it, went back to using the Arduino

Sunshine•4/29/23, 5:10 PM

The VP force just looks like a better system

Reed•4/29/23, 6:16 PM

Paid for mine and just waiting for it to ship.

RReed Paid for mine and just waiting for it to ship.

walmis•4/29/23, 6:19 PM

Tuesday is the day, after the 'Labour day' holiday in Europe

SStoned Kakapo anyone currently adding FFB to their mfg crosswinds? 😄 would love to follow alo...

leninjahd•4/29/23, 6:36 PM

Ffb doesnt really make sense on rudder pedals doesnt it?

walmis•4/29/23, 6:41 PM

Side slip for GA and helicopter trim?

Wwalmis Side slip for GA and helicopter trim?

leninjahd•4/29/23, 6:42 PM

Wdym by sideslip?

walmis•4/29/23, 6:43 PM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slip_(aerodynamics)

Slip (aerodynamics)

A slip is an aerodynamic state where an aircraft is moving somewhat sideways as well as forward relative to the oncoming airflow or relative wind. In other words, for a conventional aircraft, the nose will be pointing in the opposite direction to the bank of the wing(s). The aircraft is not in coordinated flight and therefore is flying inefficie...

leninjahd•4/29/23, 6:45 PM

I know a sideslip from gliders but in those you dont feel anything in the rudder

walmis•4/29/23, 6:47 PM

I guess neutral position should change somewhat, or maybe some turbulence from cross wind?

leninjahd•4/29/23, 6:51 PM

Thats possible, havent really experimented

Lleninjahd Ffb doesnt really make sense on rudder pedals doesnt it?

Stoned Kakapo•4/29/23, 7:14 PM

For helos it would make a lot of sense for me, vs the damper mod I have on it. Very ambitious, but I would love it if there was an easy way to add motors to toe break to simulate hydraulic pressure. I feel like I would feel some haptic sensation from the pedals during turbulence and what not

Anthony•4/29/23, 7:14 PM

It could be a decent artificial feedback for it

Anthony•4/29/23, 7:15 PM

And as @stonedkakapo just said, also good for helos

Wwalmis Tuesday is the day, after the 'Labour day' holiday in Europe 🙂

Reed•4/29/23, 7:24 PM

Nice. No rush homie. Appreciate your hard work.

SStoned Kakapo anyone currently adding FFB to their mfg crosswinds? 😄 would love to follow alo...

kingjamez•4/29/23, 10:20 PM

It's next on my list after finishing my mini-Rhino. I've got the crosswind pedals already and can start working on the CAD as soon as I finish my first stick.

Lleninjahd Ffb doesnt really make sense on rudder pedals doesnt it?

kingjamez•4/29/23, 10:22 PM

Absolutely it does. Especially for GA and gliders. As @walmis pointed out, it's super strong during a slip but even airspeed vs pressure on a cessna is super noticeable in real life. My legs are tired from pressing the right rudder after a long flight doing pattern work (where lots of slips are used). For gliders it's even more pronounced: Almost no resistance on the ground but increasingly so as speed increases. I think you fly a K-21 @leninjahd , I haven't flown one of those yet, but in the 2-33 I fly learning the "feel" of the pedals is certainly part of the flight training.

Kkingjamez Absolutely it does. Especially for GA and gliders. As @walmis pointed out, it's ...

mechsicko•4/29/23, 10:44 PM

Glider pilot here.. there is nothing you feel on the rudder in a side slip or even full forward slip that would have any benefit from active feedback. Air is still just trying to push it back to center. Helicopter anti torque pedals would benefit from a trimmer though. Varying strength of rudder centering would be nice and all but imo ff rudder is still a solution looking for a problem

kingjamez•4/30/23, 12:22 AM

Interesting perspective. You don't experience the feel of the rudder changing with speed? I don't think FFB would add "required" feedback but I do think it would bring added realism. At least in my experience the required force during a pre-flight check is significantly weaker than when doing a turn at speed. I'd describe it kinda like you can feel your foot swinging the rear of the glider back into position. Edit: Another example from GA is when doing stalls and spins. When you bring that nose up and airspeed drops the rudder becomes very "floppy" as that stall horn starts to whine. Then as you dive to gain airspeed it tightens back up pretty quickly.

SStoned Kakapo For helos it would make a lot of sense for me, vs the damper mod I have on it. ...

PiNKSH!T•4/30/23, 3:39 AM

I've been thinking about this, but aren't toe brakes just, well, brakes? so what about a load cell mod for the toe brakes & the ffb for the rudder axis?

Kkingjamez Interesting perspective. You don't experience the feel of the rudder changing wi...

PiNKSH!T•4/30/23, 3:44 AM

yeah all good reasons to have ffb. What I've come to believe personally since having the Rhino is that ffb is really good for emulating the different feelings you get in flight controls through different flight regimes & even on the ground feel, as you stated with the rudder pedals feeling 'floppy' at some points compared to their stiffening when going at higher speeds. I think ffb effects like gun shake etc. are great bonuses for immersion/fun, but the ability to customize the feel of stick/rudder for each aircraft & have those differing feelings in the controls for each is the major 'selling point' for ffb imho.

PPiNKSH!T I've been thinking about this, but aren't toe brakes just, well, brakes? so what...

Stoned Kakapo•4/30/23, 5:01 AM

I guess it would depend what brakes you're using and when. Like in the av8b, I remember when towing, the brakes would gradually get stiffer as I kept pumping em. Incredibly small detail, but would be nice to experience in VR

. By load cell, you mean those spring l looking things some sim racing pedals have?

SStoned Kakapo I guess it would depend what brakes you're using and when. Like in the av8b, I r...

PiNKSH!T•4/30/23, 5:04 AM

yeah typically the brake pedal on decent sim racing sets will have a load cell, usually with a spring then a soft rubber then harder rubber pads that push onto the load cell, the load cell just registers the amount of pressure pressed down on it. All this gives the feeling similar to a real car brake pedal

BadKarma•4/30/23, 8:36 AM

I see that you guys are talking about rudder pedals with ffb; for those interested in what it does to your game go check out some reviews about the new Simucube Pedals with ffb

BadKarma•4/30/23, 8:37 AM

Those that also do sim racing know what I’m talking about

`376 Rhinos to go!` 😭 but I know it will be worth it when the time comes!

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