Does MSFS support FFB? One of my biggest reasons for wanting it is for Reno
Does MSFS support FFB? One of my biggest reasons for wanting it is for Reno
SJeez thats double mine! I get that @walmis is building them as fast as he can. I’m just hoping theres a way to ramp up production soon!
Anot out of the box, right now you have to use a third party app, costs a few bucks, and does take a bit of work and configuration to feel good, but not gonna be as good as like, F-14 in DCS or even most of the IL2 planes
SStill beats my current setup of t16000m fcs i bet lol
Aoh no doubt
Aand even if you can't get the settings right, you can still just make the rhino feel really nicely dampened in a way that no spring based joystick out there (even with dampeners) will feel like
Alike, i'll never want to play a flight sim without the rhino or something equivalent again tbh
TWould it be a good idea to set up a profiles channel for us to post each other profiles with the filenames:
T{Username}{GripName}{SimulatorName}{ModuleName}{mm-dd-yy}
TTLike that?
PWalmis is working on adding msfs2020 support to his telemetry app. So eventually we can just use that which I think will be a lot better than XPForce or whatever other options might be out there.
SHow hard is it to build myself from the kit. I really want to get using an FFB stick and I have the time for a little project. Only issue is that I have very little DIY and electronics experience/knowledge.
Jprobably pretty hard if you don't have any prior experience, knowledge, or tools
Sanyone currently adding FFB to their mfg crosswinds? 
would love to follow along
would love to follow along
AGot mine, tried in the Tomcat, wow. Really nice.
It will take a few modifications to my simpit to fit.. but really nice work @walmis!
It will take a few modifications to my simpit to fit.. but really nice work @walmis!
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WI was ready to purchase a set for testing, but they're out of stock 
WYep, I'm somewhat along that path. I'll post some details when I get a chance.
SOh wow sorry to hear that 
haven't seen em sold out in a while, glad to see it's still as popular as ever though!
haven't seen em sold out in a while, glad to see it's still as popular as ever though!SI'm also kind of curious to try out rhino in scam(star) citizen 
VIf you ship me parts i would be happy to be your tester 
Joking aside i have an mfg V3 with dampers if needed
Joking aside i have an mfg V3 with dampers if needed
NSince I got my Rhino ship notification, I’ve been staring at my Virpil Ace pedals thinking about how I could add a motor to them 
SSo Brunner finally came out with Direct X support.. Tried it, went back to using the Arduino
SThe VP force just looks like a better system
RPaid for mine and just waiting for it to ship.
WTuesday is the day, after the 'Labour day' holiday in Europe 
LFfb doesnt really make sense on rudder pedals doesnt it?
WSide slip for GA and helicopter trim?
LWdym by sideslip?
WA slip is an aerodynamic state where an aircraft is moving somewhat sideways as well as forward relative to the oncoming airflow or relative wind. In other words, for a conventional aircraft, the nose will be pointing in the opposite direction to the bank of the wing(s). The aircraft is not in coordinated flight and therefore is flying inefficie...
LI know a sideslip from gliders but in those you dont feel anything in the rudder
WI guess neutral position should change somewhat, or maybe some turbulence from cross wind?
LThats possible, havent really experimented
SFor helos it would make a lot of sense for me, vs the damper mod I have on it. Very ambitious, but I would love it if there was an easy way to add motors to toe break to simulate hydraulic pressure. I feel like I would feel some haptic sensation from the pedals during turbulence and what not
AIt could be a decent artificial feedback for it
AAnd as @stonedkakapo just said, also good for helos
RNice. No rush homie. Appreciate your hard work.
KIt's next on my list after finishing my mini-Rhino. I've got the crosswind pedals already and can start working on the CAD as soon as I finish my first stick.
KAbsolutely it does. Especially for GA and gliders. As @walmis pointed out, it's super strong during a slip but even airspeed vs pressure on a cessna is super noticeable in real life. My legs are tired from pressing the right rudder after a long flight doing pattern work (where lots of slips are used). For gliders it's even more pronounced: Almost no resistance on the ground but increasingly so as speed increases. I think you fly a K-21 @leninjahd , I haven't flown one of those yet, but in the 2-33 I fly learning the "feel" of the pedals is certainly part of the flight training.
MGlider pilot here.. there is nothing you feel on the rudder in a side slip or even full forward slip that would have any benefit from active feedback. Air is still just trying to push it back to center. Helicopter anti torque pedals would benefit from a trimmer though. Varying strength of rudder centering would be nice and all but imo ff rudder is still a solution looking for a problem
KInteresting perspective. You don't experience the feel of the rudder changing with speed? I don't think FFB would add "required" feedback but I do think it would bring added realism. At least in my experience the required force during a pre-flight check is significantly weaker than when doing a turn at speed. I'd describe it kinda like you can feel your foot swinging the rear of the glider back into position. Edit: Another example from GA is when doing stalls and spins. When you bring that nose up and airspeed drops the rudder becomes very "floppy" as that stall horn starts to whine. Then as you dive to gain airspeed it tightens back up pretty quickly.
PI've been thinking about this, but aren't toe brakes just, well, brakes? so what about a load cell mod for the toe brakes & the ffb for the rudder axis?
Pyeah all good reasons to have ffb. What I've come to believe personally since having the Rhino is that ffb is really good for emulating the different feelings you get in flight controls through different flight regimes & even on the ground feel, as you stated with the rudder pedals feeling 'floppy' at some points compared to their stiffening when going at higher speeds. I think ffb effects like gun shake etc. are great bonuses for immersion/fun, but the ability to customize the feel of stick/rudder for each aircraft & have those differing feelings in the controls for each is the major 'selling point' for ffb imho.
SI guess it would depend what brakes you're using and when. Like in the av8b, I remember when towing, the brakes would gradually get stiffer as I kept pumping em. Incredibly small detail, but would be nice to experience in VR . By load cell, you mean those spring l looking things some sim racing pedals have?
. By load cell, you mean those spring l looking things some sim racing pedals have?Pyeah typically the brake pedal on decent sim racing sets will have a load cell, usually with a spring then a soft rubber then harder rubber pads that push onto the load cell, the load cell just registers the amount of pressure pressed down on it. All this gives the feeling similar to a real car brake pedal
BI see that you guys are talking about rudder pedals with ffb; for those interested in what it does to your game go check out some reviews about the new Simucube Pedals with ffb
BThose that also do sim racing know what I’m talking about
BYouTubeBoosted Media
Ever since I got into Sim Racing, it's been pretty clear to me that there has been three things missing when compared with real-life racing. A sense of danger, a sense of sustained cornering g-forces, and a sense of how the brakes are actually performing underfoot. So when Simucube announced the world's first ACTIVE Force Feedback Sim Racing Ped...
BHis face when he pressed the brake for the first time
Bi hope the price of a single pedal is just an attempt to fish for how much people are willing to pay, beause i can not see even an enthusiast justify that price
