@jehlybean Thanks for giving a hint about the z extension. Got mine today and this is perfect now. W

@jehlybean Thanks for giving a hint about the z extension. Got mine today and this is perfect now. Works great with the warthog grip by rotating the extension connector.

AAndyHill I wonder if a curve editor in vpconfig could be made to be compatible with force...

LeLv30_Superbus•8/18/23, 9:39 AM

Walmis did give curves a try not so long ago. There is one fundamental problem to solve first: 📃general

LeLv30_Superbus•8/18/23, 9:41 AM

This is also why DCS curves are broken when you use them with FFB.

LeLv30_Superbus•8/18/23, 9:44 AM

I wonder if axis zoom could help you to get into a stable hover in 64 @skypickle? I don't have the module myself.

Reign•8/18/23, 1:01 PM

Hi all, does anyone know if there are any additional duties when purchasing from Canada?

FFiraga @jehlybean Thanks for giving a hint about the z extension. Got mine today and th...

Jehly•8/18/23, 1:29 PM

Glad ya like it

FiragaOP•8/18/23, 1:37 PM

It's also ridiculous how easy it is to compensate the offset weight with the software. You don't even know about the offset while using. I'm already a huge fanboy to the Rhino. This is an amazing product.

Ramasurinen (Mike Johnson)•8/18/23, 6:35 PM

@reign7168 Yes, you'll be charged pst and gst on it before or during delivery, so 14%, paid through fedex.

JM•8/18/23, 6:42 PM

hi guys, how do i purchase the product? thanks

Bob Bushman•8/18/23, 6:43 PM

faq

Maple•8/18/23, 9:43 PM

Yall, I bought the Brunner CLS-E Joystick and seems your product is way more Beefier than the Brunners. My Brunner shitdown the Force after full delction near the top end of the force after 2 or 3 circle fight. No good use for DCS. you produect seems way better for DCS applications.

Maple•8/18/23, 9:57 PM

I put in applicationf or reservation

RRamasurinen (Mike Johnson)@reign7168 Yes, you'll be charged pst and gst on it before or during delivery, s...

Reign•8/18/23, 10:45 PM

Thank you!

SR-F_Winger_[73]_David•8/19/23, 11:04 AM

I Hope @walmis can Rampe Up production. Currently IT will aproximately Take a year for Mine to get produced

i'll gladly wait. Bur cant wait...

TTC-Durham I thought there was a profile channel, but cannot find it. Put this together wi...

skyPickle•8/19/23, 2:23 PM

I imported your conf file but there seems to be some incompatibilities. I am running the latest firmware for the Rhino and use a virpil constellation alpha. There is no twist axis or brake axis. Also the minijoystick does not register and neither does the scroll wheel. It looks like you are running an older firmware?

TC-Durham•8/19/23, 2:24 PM

Quite possibly as that was first profile. Will download new on and redo.

skyPickle•8/19/23, 2:28 PM

Here are the settings I gleaned from your profile for anyone else who wants to try it but is not running your firmware

skyPickle•8/19/23, 2:28 PM

skyPickle•8/19/23, 2:28 PM

TC-Durham•8/19/23, 3:34 PM

His main comments were a ~30cm end to end throw in both pitch and roll and then on stiffness when force trim was on he said:

As for stiffness well that’s hard to describe, you should be able to push it about 5-7 cm from the trimmed position, 10 if you really force it, but you wouldn’t, you know?

As for stiffness well that’s hard to describe, you should be able to push it about 5-7 cm from the trimmed position, 10 if you really force it, but you wouldn’t, you know?

TC-Durham•8/19/23, 3:34 PM

Which got me to about 2/3 for the end stops and all the spring power I could get.

TC-Durham•8/19/23, 3:57 PM

You were correct was on the 0.14 firmware.

HairyBrenndog•8/20/23, 12:45 AM

Recntly updated the firmware and the configurator. Loaded last versions profiles. Now getting oscillating of the stick that increases more so then previous version it would stay under a certain low limit and be basically elliminated. Does anyone know hwo to reduce that in this vcersion if possible. I know earlier on it was doing it and then got fixed last version or 2.

HHairyBrenndog Recntly updated the firmware and the configurator. Loaded last versions profile...

walmis•8/20/23, 4:39 AM

Can you show your settings? Both effects and settings tabs with expanded advancedadvanced

JIGGAwest•8/20/23, 4:52 AM

I was also wondering about this new effect. It seems like its a G effect or an AoA effect. When I stick back into a turn at high G and AoA the stick pushes forward. So I'm fighting it and I'm getting an oscillation effect. Its really cool. But, would like to tone it down a bit. even with periodic effect at 12%, its really heavy.

JIGGAwest•8/20/23, 4:54 AM

to give context I updated to the most recent TelemFFB

Jaeger•8/20/23, 5:00 AM

You can eddid the effects in the Telem ini file. I would recommend to see into the user (?) ini, because this settings carry over from version to version while the ini gets reset (can't remember the correct file names, away from the computer). Just check in the TelemFFB channel down low. (knowledge base)

FiragaOP•8/20/23, 5:37 AM

I also got very intense and gradually worsening oscillations with the newest configurator & TelemFFB. So intense that had no other choice than to push the red button. My hypothesis is that some of the oscillations resonate if there is many or certain periodic effects overlapping. I did not have this issue when periodic effects were turned off. Also no problem with the "release version" of TelemFFB.

FiragaOP•8/20/23, 5:40 AM

I was worried that if I hold the stick, it will break the mounting points.

walmis•8/20/23, 5:44 AM

Did you run it with telemFFB with G/or AoA effects ?

FiragaOP•8/20/23, 5:46 AM

AoA, RPM, gun shake. I believe all of them might have triggered at the same time. Was really pushing AH-64 to test the new version. No G-effect.

walmis•8/20/23, 5:47 AM

Can you also show your settings? Periodics shouldn't cause such oscillations

FiragaOP•8/20/23, 5:49 AM

It did it with the default settings with latest wip-version of TelemFFB, master gain 100% and periodic gain 25%. No problem after turning some of the periodic effects down or off.

FiragaOP•8/20/23, 5:52 AM

No problem in this sense that it can be easily fixed by tuning down some settings. But some kind of periodic effect filtering or damping option could help if the oscillations start to shake too violently.

FFiraga No problem in this sense that it can be easily fixed by tuning down some setting...

walmis•8/20/23, 5:53 AM

Can you still screenshot the your vpconf settings effects/settings with advanced expanded ?

Wwalmis Can you still screenshot the your vpconf settings effects/settings with advanced...

FiragaOP•8/20/23, 5:54 AM

On mobile at the moment but can share later today once in front of the computer.

Wwalmis Can you still screenshot the your vpconf settings effects/settings with advanced...

FiragaOP•8/20/23, 7:37 AM

Here are my settings. Static force to counter offset extension. Friciton is not on despite the slider being at max setting.

FiragaOP•8/20/23, 7:39 AM

The oscillation (when it happens) starts with small but sharp vibration that gradually becomes more intensive, until it gets out of control. It is only coming with the latest TelemFFB. Not without it and not with an older version.

walmis•8/20/23, 7:39 AM

I've tweaked the Apache in the latest telemFFB, probably the ETL shake was causing this

walmis•8/20/23, 7:40 AM

Also set the Periodic Effect LPF to something like 20-30Hz

Wwalmis Also set the Periodic Effect LPF to something like 20-30Hz

FiragaOP•8/20/23, 7:40 AM

What does it do?

walmis•8/20/23, 7:41 AM

Attenuates the high frequencies

walmis•8/20/23, 7:41 AM

Can you expand the Advanced sections too ?

Wwalmis Can you expand the Advanced sections too ?

FiragaOP•8/20/23, 7:42 AM

Sorry for my ignorance but where is it?

Edit: Nevermind, found it.

FiragaOP•8/20/23, 7:45 AM

Did not touch the advanced settings so they should be defaults

walmis•8/20/23, 7:58 AM

you can set spring filter to 15Hz, should give more stability

Wwalmis you can set spring filter to 15Hz, should give more stability

FiragaOP•8/20/23, 8:03 AM

Not sure if I understand this correctly. The tooltip is telling that lower value means sluggish movement but less oscillations. 15 Hz is quite much higher than what I have now

walmis•8/20/23, 8:04 AM

Yeah, might need to update the tooltips

walmis•8/20/23, 8:05 AM

It's kinda more complicated, but I've found higher freqs give more stability

FiragaOP•8/20/23, 8:06 AM

Ok. I try to change one parameter at a time to see whether it makes a difference. Otherwise difficult to isolate the issue.

SaiRacing•8/20/23, 10:53 AM

Hi, looking in the FAQ there are several choices of FFB motors I noticed that the Rhino uses the lowest torque motor. I understand that it is multiplied though a gear so the force generated at the grip is higher than the stated spec.

My experience of FFB is mostly from simracing, and over there there has been a trend towards higher torque motors and direct drive (so no gear or belt-driven ffb). The more powerful motors allow for better 'feel' in the wheel because the responsiveness is better with the higher peak torque.

So I guess my question is if there are similar reasons to increase motor torque for flight sim sticks. The car use case is one I'm familiar with since I work with racecars irl but I've never flown a helicopter or warbird so I don't know what stick forces are like and if high peak forces are even required.

For reference, entry level ffb wheels range from 5-7nm and the high end DD wheelbases have peak torques of upto 25nm.

@jehlybean Thanks for giving a hint about the z extension. Got mine today and this is perfect now. W

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