you can set spring filter to 15Hz, should give more stability
you can set spring filter to 15Hz, should give more stability
FNot sure if I understand this correctly. The tooltip is telling that lower value means sluggish movement but less oscillations. 15 Hz is quite much higher than what I have now
WYeah, might need to update the tooltips
WIt's kinda more complicated, but I've found higher freqs give more stability
FOk. I try to change one parameter at a time to see whether it makes a difference. Otherwise difficult to isolate the issue.
SHi, looking in the FAQ there are several choices of FFB motors I noticed that the Rhino uses the lowest torque motor. I understand that it is multiplied though a gear so the force generated at the grip is higher than the stated spec.
My experience of FFB is mostly from simracing, and over there there has been a trend towards higher torque motors and direct drive (so no gear or belt-driven ffb). The more powerful motors allow for better 'feel' in the wheel because the responsiveness is better with the higher peak torque.
So I guess my question is if there are similar reasons to increase motor torque for flight sim sticks. The car use case is one I'm familiar with since I work with racecars irl but I've never flown a helicopter or warbird so I don't know what stick forces are like and if high peak forces are even required.
For reference, entry level ffb wheels range from 5-7nm and the high end DD wheelbases have peak torques of upto 25nm.
My experience of FFB is mostly from simracing, and over there there has been a trend towards higher torque motors and direct drive (so no gear or belt-driven ffb). The more powerful motors allow for better 'feel' in the wheel because the responsiveness is better with the higher peak torque.
So I guess my question is if there are similar reasons to increase motor torque for flight sim sticks. The car use case is one I'm familiar with since I work with racecars irl but I've never flown a helicopter or warbird so I don't know what stick forces are like and if high peak forces are even required.
For reference, entry level ffb wheels range from 5-7nm and the high end DD wheelbases have peak torques of upto 25nm.
Nthe effect (in TelemFFB) is called 'aoa reduction') and it should only be enabled on the F18 by default (as that is the specific aircraft it was developed to emulate)...
You can change the characteristics with these values (but you would want to edit the ones under the F18 section)
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You can change the characteristics with these values (but you would want to edit the ones under the F18 section)
(ignore the typo in the description line
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Astick forces can be significant in warbirds and quite notable in jets
Aapparently in some situations and specific planes you might be pulling with all your might to get a warbird out of a dive
Ahow do those heavy duty steering wheels handle cooling?
JWhich brings our plastic sticks on the edge of destruction
Amine is metal, though
Aalthough I don't think it could take very heavy loads
JI was flying the F15e and the mosquito they were both doing it. I haven't tried any other aircraft, I might assume everything is doing it.
Nahh.. OK.. the original description sounded more like the aoa effect (which is based on AoA).. But that would be the g-loading effect...
Jgeforce_effect_enable is that just 1 for on and 0 for off? Or is there a global intensity ?
Nresponded in #VPforce-TelemFFB
MMost cool passively with their gigantic heatsink motor casings the size of a watermelon. Completely impractical and unnecessary for a flight stick. Even if you want huge forces for some god forsaken reason just use bigger motors/belt ratio.
Simracing wheels need to do extremely high freq effects to simulate the vibrate-y feel of rubber meeting road and sharp effects like slamming curbs or landing from jumps etc with enough overhead to also generate the main forces without clipping so need to be very powerful to be able to do this convincingly, particularly with DD that lacks any mechanical advantage like gearing/belts. Aircraft have much lower freq forces so don't need the brute force simracing req and if you need high forces belt reduction does this with a lot less wasted space and money.
Simracing wheels need to do extremely high freq effects to simulate the vibrate-y feel of rubber meeting road and sharp effects like slamming curbs or landing from jumps etc with enough overhead to also generate the main forces without clipping so need to be very powerful to be able to do this convincingly, particularly with DD that lacks any mechanical advantage like gearing/belts. Aircraft have much lower freq forces so don't need the brute force simracing req and if you need high forces belt reduction does this with a lot less wasted space and money.
Awell iirc the f-18 stick was supposed to have something like 15kg max pull force so we're still some ways off even if we forget the sometimes completely freezing controls of some warbirds
Aand yeah it's a good point that the huge torque is for the effects in the steering wheels, I hadn't thought of that
Athe thing with ffb flight controllers is that they need to keep going flat out for extended periods of time
AI guess it might help some that a steering wheel can make do with one motor, whereas a flight controller typically needs double the amount
Jdirect drive ftw
JMaybe gen 2 rhino will use a more powerful set of motors
Adibs on the gen 2 rhino
Aor elephant or whatever
Jdefinitely needs to be named after another protected animal
JCould call it the Meg
Aand heavily poached one
Ahaving a swat team ambush you at the post office is an integral part of the experience
JCalling it the Meg could be references to multiple things
It would be massive in size due to motor size, if he really wanted for a silly joke edition he could have a shark mouth on the leather cover making it look like the base is trying to eat the stick, and with the increased ffb strength, if ur not careful it could 'bite' you
It would be massive in size due to motor size, if he really wanted for a silly joke edition he could have a shark mouth on the leather cover making it look like the base is trying to eat the stick, and with the increased ffb strength, if ur not careful it could 'bite' you
JLastly, it could be in Russian aircraft blue instead of black, further making sense to call it something aquatic 
Ahand painted custom paint jobs would be just the trick for production times
JHe could also have it be twice the cost of the Rhino
DHi! Maybe y’all can help me out does it come prebuilt? Does it have to come prebuilt?
Ayou can buy a prebuilt rhino or a motor kit
Amotor + electronics -kit, I think
DIs there any advantage to one over the other
DSorry im trying to get it as a gift I dont know much
Ayou don't have to build one if you don't want to or if you are like me you don't want anything built by me
Awith the kit you have more options like more powerful motors and of course the structure is completely up to you
Abut I suppose that's for a select few people who can design and build an ffb controller base by themselves
DAnd the kit Is the waitlist just as long 12 months?
Ano
AI think you can get kits very fast
Abut do note that they are very barebones and you will have to build and probably design your own system almost from scratch so it could take a long time
AI don't know if there are complete designs available somewhere since I don't have the skills or facilities to build one for myself, but afaik you get the electronics, motors and software, but everything else is up to you
Aif you intend to go that way you should find someone here who has built his own stuff, there are quite a few around
DThanks!
MThe design the Rhino itself is based off of is open source. There's a few users on here working on build lists and instructions for similiar designs
AOk thanks that's kind of how I thought it was, but I haven't been following the build stuff that carefully and didn't want to give potentially too rosy a picture of the situation for someone looking to buy a kit or a rhino