if possible to improve the force on the DCS Helicopter? When release the force trim the stick is too

if possible to improve the force on the DCS Helicopter? When release the force trim the stick is too floppy (soft); but only in the game, in the software was perfect. thx

GGEK if possible to improve the force on the DCS Helicopter? When release the force t...

Number481•3/11/24, 12:30 PM

It is not possible to directly change these forces from DCS. Best to change the settings to your liking in configurator while you are loaded in the aircraft in DCS.

FFresh_Mint When I pull my stick to the right, at the center of the draw, base makes a sound...

Fresh_Mint•3/11/24, 3:25 PM

The reason I felt ticking was interference between the wire for grip and body of the base

Vakarian•3/12/24, 8:53 AM

Not sure if this was talked about before. I've run into an issue with TelemFFB when I run both DCS client and a dedicated server instance off the same PC.

The big issue is that sometimes the base will remain in the "limp" mode, same one I'd get when I'm loading into DCS and it's waiting for inputs. This is not happening always, so I'm wondering is there some process scanning priority going on or should I start DCS first and only then start dedicated server so the TelemFFB hooks to the first "DCS" process?

VVakarian Not sure if this was talked about before. I've run into an issue with TelemFFB w...

walmis•3/12/24, 2:26 PM

This sounds tricky, seems like DCS takes control of FFB regardless if it's a server or not. You could try playing with HID Hide utility to hide the Rhino for the server instance.

Wwalmis This sounds tricky, seems like DCS takes control of FFB regardless if it's a ser...

Vakarian•3/12/24, 2:29 PM

Ok, will do. That seems like an easy thing to do. I'll test it out, if it helps I'll fill out a bug report to ED

AndyHill•3/12/24, 2:37 PM

I use dediserver to play large campaign missions and it seems that actually the last dcs to launch takees control

AndyHill•3/12/24, 2:37 PM

so start the server first

Vakarian•3/12/24, 2:40 PM

Yeah, that would explain why I only sometimes experienced this, but never really paid too much attention why is it like that. I'll give it a proper test tonight

Phantom•3/12/24, 5:15 PM

Is there a way to prevent bounce back oscillations please ? I think it is bounce back from the end stop values ?

Phantom•3/12/24, 5:25 PM

ingame oscillations are exaggerated in severity if you hit the end stops due to forces generated against them, for example letting go of the stick when flying something like the Mig29 when at high AoA

Ophelia•3/12/24, 6:45 PM

increasing damping/friction is how i've dealt with it

OOphelia increasing damping/friction is how i've dealt with it

Phantom•3/12/24, 6:53 PM

Cool, will give that a go, thanks.

Ophelia•3/12/24, 7:33 PM

try damping at 30% to start with and go from there (that's what i've found is nicest feel wise personally)

VVakarian Not sure if this was talked about before. I've run into an issue with TelemFFB w...

Vakarian•3/12/24, 10:07 PM

Feels idiotic replying to myself, but figured best way to link it. Anyways, as far as DCS is concerned issue is reproduced and reported by ED. Hopefully it gets fixed soon

Thanks for pointing me in right direction

AndyHill•3/12/24, 11:42 PM

that's good news

Andre•3/13/24, 3:09 AM

so I'm currently trying to figure out the exact components that I need for my FFB stick. I'm assuming that the Rhino FFB Base and the VPforce Steel Mount are the no-brainers, but if I am trying to use a VKB gladiator stick, is there any other special mount that I need to order? Will I need the VKB adapter?

Ophelia•3/13/24, 3:45 AM

yeah, you'll need the vkb adapter

plehmann•3/13/24, 4:03 AM

@walmis I've placed an order for the DIY FFB kit: 86BLF03 x1 + USB based on feedback from @Tinman rather than the F04 versions for the slaw rudder pedal conversion. Questions can I ...1. add another motor to the controller at a later stage ( collective conversion ? and /or 2 does that motor have to be the same 03 version or can I shoot for a 57blf03 for instance for the collective conversion later?

Number481•3/13/24, 4:06 AM

You can mix/match motors on a board, but be aware that TelemFFB and presumably any software that supported pedals/collective (there are none) doesn’t work that way. Each control needs to be its own usb device.

plehmann•3/13/24, 4:49 AM

ok good to know....

plehmann•3/13/24, 4:49 AM

I shall mull on that

plehmann•3/13/24, 4:50 AM

VVakarian Not sure if this was talked about before. I've run into an issue with TelemFFB w...

Lei•3/14/24, 9:55 AM

I also run both on my PC, so far so good (3-4 sessions so far with dedi servers) Everything works as expected. But maybe I should report back after a few more tries

LLei I also run both on my PC, so far so good (3-4 sessions so far with dedi servers)...

Vakarian•3/14/24, 9:57 AM

As long as DCS game instance is started last, it will work without issues

Lei•3/14/24, 10:00 AM

On a different topic, anyone experiencing some clicking sound and a very minor clicking sensation when moving the stick hard suddenly (in some cases only)? Not sure if it’s the base or the Winwing adapter or something else. Hard to tell.

wolfman59#6013•3/14/24, 2:20 PM

well I think that the stl file of the base plate must be damaged because I have printed it 4 times and the printing fails towards the end in the finishing phase, does anyone have the corrected files?

peteg•3/14/24, 3:06 PM

Question for everyone.. if I’m looking to increase the force required to pull back on the stick after recovering from a high speed dive, what settings would I tweak? I figured it would be inertia but that doesn’t seem to do it. Thanks in advance for any help!

Ppeteg Question for everyone.. if I’m looking to increase the force required to pull ba...

Number481•3/14/24, 3:50 PM

What sim? I'll assume DCS for the time being. The spring force, which is ultimately what controls how hard the stick is to manipulate, is completely controlled by the DCS native FFB implementation. You can adjust the spring force settings in configurator, but that will only affect the max range that the DCS FFB has to work with.

The G-Force effect in TelemFFB sort of does what your looking for by applying a constant force pulling the stick away from you as g forces increase, but its not really the same thing, and depending on how pitchy the aircraft is, it can result in some weird force oscillations.

NNumber481 What sim? I'll assume DCS for the time being. The spring force, which is ulti...

peteg•3/14/24, 5:40 PM

Good point thanks! I use it with MSFS and DCS primarily. I have the settings pretty well dialed in except for the amount of strength required under g. To your point - maybe I need to look at the g-force settings in TelemFFB.. If I adjust the spring force I think that stays the same whether under g or not right? Thanks so much for your help!

Wiz•3/15/24, 1:07 AM

Hi all, I have a minor issue I was hoping to raise here. Effectively I'm having some kind of conflict with the VKB adapter and MSFS. Often times the VKB stick will disconnect when using MSFS, and I have to unplug and plug it back in to the VKB blackbox to get MSFS to recognise it again. This doesn't happen in DCS, X-Plane 11 or IL2 - only MSFS. I'm aware of conflict issues in the VPForce Rhino manual regaridng axes and trim, but this is specific to the VKB connection itself.

Once the stick disconnects, while I can still use the axes, I can use any of the buttons. It seems clear to me that there is some kind of software conflict, and I'm hoping someone here might know whats up!

Any help would be most appreciated.

Wwalmis Virpil hats need additional decoding, ~~do any of the existing Virpil grip profi...

Andre•3/15/24, 8:05 AM

Hi Walmis, just wanted to ask if you found the time to make the Blackhawk grip profile or do you need more info? Thank you, Andre

ionutned•3/15/24, 5:02 PM

hi,
is anyone else getting this annoying pop-up?
I don't even use edge

Number481•3/15/24, 6:03 PM

known issue with edge that nobody has found a solution to yet. Disabling web usb in the settings doesn't help.

NNumber481 known issue with edge that nobody has found a solution to yet. Disabling web us...

blave549•3/15/24, 6:35 PM

Can I safely ignore that popup and not open the browser? I think the answer is "yes" but want to confirm.

Number481•3/15/24, 6:41 PM

Yeah, it’s just a “convenience popup” (that should time out and disappear) in case you want to open the web-usb connection to the device. But you don’t need to unless you want to update the firmware.

Icebeat•3/16/24, 1:45 PM

hi, with the last version, I am having this error in TelemFFB

Icebeat•3/16/24, 1:45 PM

then the whole UI is frozen

Icebeat•3/16/24, 1:51 PM

and when launching TelemFFB it has problems with the master device

IIcebeat hi, with the last version, I am having this error in TelemFFB

Number481•3/16/24, 2:19 PM

Do you have more than one device?

Double check that there are no TelemFFB instances hung in task manager.

Does it load if you launch TelemFFB from the _previous_version_backup_previous_version_backup folder in your install directory. (Decline the upgrade offer prompts if it loads)

If so, create a support bundle from the help menu and post here or send to me. It contains your logs, user config and system settings

Toddimus•3/16/24, 6:57 PM

I am about to buy a VKB grip and figured the latest and greatest revision would be the one to get. But looking further into it, the Gunfighter base MkIII and MkIV have different physical connections, which isn't really a surprise. But what's important is that it looks like the VKB adapter available on the VPForce order form is only compatible with the MkIII version, rather than the MkiV version. So I'll buy this one:
https://www.vkbcontrollers.com/products/mcg-ultimate-grip-add-on?variant=39779669868662
instead of this one:
https://www.vkbcontrollers.com/products/mcg-ultimate-add-on-grip-for-gunfighter-iv?variant=40102765232246
Hope that makes sense.

I guess this is more of a PSA than a support inquiry. Unless I'm looking at it wrong, then please tell me I'm wrong!

VKB North America

MCG Ultimate Add-On Grip for Gunfighter Mk.III

Made for MCG Ultimate Add-On Grip for Gunfighter Mk.III Not compatible with Gunfighter IV Includes 1 MCG ‘Modern Combat Grip’ Ultimate Features MCG Ultimate Grip Right-hand grip design 24-32 programmable buttons, based on the module installed 5 analog axes (2x slew control mini stick axes / 2x trimmer mini stick axes /

VKB North America

MCG Ultimate Add-On Grip for Gunfighter IV

Made for MCG Ultimate Add-On Grip for Gunfighter IV Not compatible with Gunfighter Mk. III Includes 1 MCG ‘Modern Combat Grip’ Ultimate Features MCG Ultimate Grip Right-hand grip design 24-32 programmable buttons, based on the module installed 5 analog axes (2x slew control mini stick axes / 2x trimmer mini stick axes

omohat•3/16/24, 7:46 PM

I'm also having problems with the latest version of TelemFFB (15 Mar release). It literally won't start for me - i get the spinning cursor and then nothing. Tried restarting PC and same result. The previous version (in the backup folder) still works fine. Any thoughts or ideas?

Oomohat I'm also having problems with the latest version of TelemFFB (15 Mar release). I...

Number481•3/16/24, 7:56 PM

Can you create the support bundle from the help menu using the older version and then DM it to me?

omohat•3/16/24, 8:13 PM

Sure - will do

peteg•3/16/24, 9:20 PM

Is there a way two use two different grips (thrustmaster and Virpil) and have MSFS recognize each and apply separate setting?

amadeus•3/16/24, 11:47 PM

been a minute since i played MSFS, but i would assume no, you'd have to save different profiles and switch between them? or have use different IDs when using different grips

Virus•3/17/24, 10:15 AM

just a small question...I have winwing adapter and winwing f16 grip....in the VPForce configurator the POV (trim hat) is reported as POV1 while in DCS (and also the other sims) is seen as POV4...is there a way to change that behaviour?

Aamadeus been a minute since i played MSFS, but i would assume no, you'd have to save dif...

peteg•3/17/24, 10:54 AM

Thanks for the help!

Knuck👨✈•3/17/24, 11:28 AM

@walmis So I have downloaded all the software and it appears to have made things worse. To begin, the stick when it powers up does not centre, so I’m unsure why that is. The emergency stop is not engaged or down. I have a winwing F-16 joystick and I wonder at the F18 joystick selection? I did note once when flying in DCS that I had roll control, but no pitch control in one of the jets. I’ve run that link you sent the button tester, and I’ve attached several screenshots to try and help solve whatever the issue is. The stick still does not recognise any of the joystick buttons. I wonder if I should uninstall the 2 VP force software and unplug and restart?

Knuck👨✈•3/17/24, 11:28 AM

KKnuck👨✈@walmis So I have downloaded all the software and it appears to have made things...

walmis•3/17/24, 11:43 AM

The first issue is that you cleared the settings to board defaults, that includes the calibration.
To recover you need to import the file configs/RHINO-defaults.vpconfconfigs/RHINO-defaults.vpconf located where you extracted the configurator app.
Afterwards you will need to calibrate the axes using auto calibrateauto calibrate button. Make sure to move both X, Y axes to their limits while the calibrate button is checked (active).
Check the invert tick boxes so the axis movement corresponds to the axis indicator.
Make sure to click apply settingsapply settings to check the changes and store settingsstore settings so the settings are saved after device reboot.

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