I also run both on my PC, so far so good (3-4 sessions so far with dedi servers) Everything works as

I also run both on my PC, so far so good (3-4 sessions so far with dedi servers) Everything works as expected. But maybe I should report back after a few more tries

LLei I also run both on my PC, so far so good (3-4 sessions so far with dedi servers)...

Vakarian•3/14/24, 9:57 AM

As long as DCS game instance is started last, it will work without issues

LeiOP•3/14/24, 10:00 AM

On a different topic, anyone experiencing some clicking sound and a very minor clicking sensation when moving the stick hard suddenly (in some cases only)? Not sure if it’s the base or the Winwing adapter or something else. Hard to tell.

wolfman59#6013•3/14/24, 2:20 PM

well I think that the stl file of the base plate must be damaged because I have printed it 4 times and the printing fails towards the end in the finishing phase, does anyone have the corrected files?

peteg•3/14/24, 3:06 PM

Question for everyone.. if I’m looking to increase the force required to pull back on the stick after recovering from a high speed dive, what settings would I tweak? I figured it would be inertia but that doesn’t seem to do it. Thanks in advance for any help!

Ppeteg Question for everyone.. if I’m looking to increase the force required to pull ba...

Number481•3/14/24, 3:50 PM

What sim? I'll assume DCS for the time being. The spring force, which is ultimately what controls how hard the stick is to manipulate, is completely controlled by the DCS native FFB implementation. You can adjust the spring force settings in configurator, but that will only affect the max range that the DCS FFB has to work with.

The G-Force effect in TelemFFB sort of does what your looking for by applying a constant force pulling the stick away from you as g forces increase, but its not really the same thing, and depending on how pitchy the aircraft is, it can result in some weird force oscillations.

NNumber481 What sim? I'll assume DCS for the time being. The spring force, which is ulti...

peteg•3/14/24, 5:40 PM

Good point thanks! I use it with MSFS and DCS primarily. I have the settings pretty well dialed in except for the amount of strength required under g. To your point - maybe I need to look at the g-force settings in TelemFFB.. If I adjust the spring force I think that stays the same whether under g or not right? Thanks so much for your help!

Wiz•3/15/24, 1:07 AM

Hi all, I have a minor issue I was hoping to raise here. Effectively I'm having some kind of conflict with the VKB adapter and MSFS. Often times the VKB stick will disconnect when using MSFS, and I have to unplug and plug it back in to the VKB blackbox to get MSFS to recognise it again. This doesn't happen in DCS, X-Plane 11 or IL2 - only MSFS. I'm aware of conflict issues in the VPForce Rhino manual regaridng axes and trim, but this is specific to the VKB connection itself.

Once the stick disconnects, while I can still use the axes, I can use any of the buttons. It seems clear to me that there is some kind of software conflict, and I'm hoping someone here might know whats up!

Any help would be most appreciated.

Wwalmis Virpil hats need additional decoding, ~~do any of the existing Virpil grip profi...

Andre•3/15/24, 8:05 AM

Hi Walmis, just wanted to ask if you found the time to make the Blackhawk grip profile or do you need more info? Thank you, Andre

ionutned•3/15/24, 5:02 PM

hi,
is anyone else getting this annoying pop-up?
I don't even use edge

Number481•3/15/24, 6:03 PM

known issue with edge that nobody has found a solution to yet. Disabling web usb in the settings doesn't help.

NNumber481 known issue with edge that nobody has found a solution to yet. Disabling web us...

blave549•3/15/24, 6:35 PM

Can I safely ignore that popup and not open the browser? I think the answer is "yes" but want to confirm.

Number481•3/15/24, 6:41 PM

Yeah, it’s just a “convenience popup” (that should time out and disappear) in case you want to open the web-usb connection to the device. But you don’t need to unless you want to update the firmware.

Icebeat•3/16/24, 1:45 PM

hi, with the last version, I am having this error in TelemFFB

Icebeat•3/16/24, 1:45 PM

then the whole UI is frozen

Icebeat•3/16/24, 1:51 PM

and when launching TelemFFB it has problems with the master device

IIcebeat hi, with the last version, I am having this error in TelemFFB

Number481•3/16/24, 2:19 PM

Do you have more than one device?

Double check that there are no TelemFFB instances hung in task manager.

Does it load if you launch TelemFFB from the

_previous_version_backup

_previous_version_backup

folder in your install directory. (Decline the upgrade offer prompts if it loads)

If so, create a support bundle from the help menu and post here or send to me. It contains your logs, user config and system settings

Toddimus•3/16/24, 6:57 PM

I am about to buy a VKB grip and figured the latest and greatest revision would be the one to get. But looking further into it, the Gunfighter base MkIII and MkIV have different physical connections, which isn't really a surprise. But what's important is that it looks like the VKB adapter available on the VPForce order form is only compatible with the MkIII version, rather than the MkiV version. So I'll buy this one:
https://www.vkbcontrollers.com/products/mcg-ultimate-grip-add-on?variant=39779669868662
instead of this one:
https://www.vkbcontrollers.com/products/mcg-ultimate-add-on-grip-for-gunfighter-iv?variant=40102765232246
Hope that makes sense.

I guess this is more of a PSA than a support inquiry. Unless I'm looking at it wrong, then please tell me I'm wrong!

VKB North America

MCG Ultimate Add-On Grip for Gunfighter Mk.III

Made for MCG Ultimate Add-On Grip for Gunfighter Mk.III Not compatible with Gunfighter IV Includes 1 MCG ‘Modern Combat Grip’ Ultimate Features MCG Ultimate Grip Right-hand grip design 24-32 programmable buttons, based on the module installed 5 analog axes (2x slew control mini stick axes / 2x trimmer mini stick axes /

VKB North America

MCG Ultimate Add-On Grip for Gunfighter IV

Made for MCG Ultimate Add-On Grip for Gunfighter IV Not compatible with Gunfighter Mk. III Includes 1 MCG ‘Modern Combat Grip’ Ultimate Features MCG Ultimate Grip Right-hand grip design 24-32 programmable buttons, based on the module installed 5 analog axes (2x slew control mini stick axes / 2x trimmer mini stick axes

omohat•3/16/24, 7:46 PM

I'm also having problems with the latest version of TelemFFB (15 Mar release). It literally won't start for me - i get the spinning cursor and then nothing. Tried restarting PC and same result. The previous version (in the backup folder) still works fine. Any thoughts or ideas?

Oomohat I'm also having problems with the latest version of TelemFFB (15 Mar release). I...

Number481•3/16/24, 7:56 PM

Can you create the support bundle from the help menu using the older version and then DM it to me?

omohat•3/16/24, 8:13 PM

Sure - will do

peteg•3/16/24, 9:20 PM

Is there a way two use two different grips (thrustmaster and Virpil) and have MSFS recognize each and apply separate setting?

amadeus•3/16/24, 11:47 PM

been a minute since i played MSFS, but i would assume no, you'd have to save different profiles and switch between them? or have use different IDs when using different grips

Virus•3/17/24, 10:15 AM

just a small question...I have winwing adapter and winwing f16 grip....in the VPForce configurator the POV (trim hat) is reported as POV1 while in DCS (and also the other sims) is seen as POV4...is there a way to change that behaviour?

Aamadeus been a minute since i played MSFS, but i would assume no, you'd have to save dif...

peteg•3/17/24, 10:54 AM

Thanks for the help!

Knuck👨✈•3/17/24, 11:28 AM

@walmis So I have downloaded all the software and it appears to have made things worse. To begin, the stick when it powers up does not centre, so I’m unsure why that is. The emergency stop is not engaged or down. I have a winwing F-16 joystick and I wonder at the F18 joystick selection? I did note once when flying in DCS that I had roll control, but no pitch control in one of the jets. I’ve run that link you sent the button tester, and I’ve attached several screenshots to try and help solve whatever the issue is. The stick still does not recognise any of the joystick buttons. I wonder if I should uninstall the 2 VP force software and unplug and restart?

Knuck👨✈•3/17/24, 11:28 AM

KKnuck👨✈@walmis So I have downloaded all the software and it appears to have made things...

walmis•3/17/24, 11:43 AM

The first issue is that you cleared the settings to board defaults, that includes the calibration.
To recover you need to import the file

configs/RHINO-defaults.vpconf

configs/RHINO-defaults.vpconf

located where you extracted the configurator app.
Afterwards you will need to calibrate the axes using

auto calibrate

auto calibrate

button. Make sure to move both X, Y axes to their limits while the calibrate button is checked (active).
Check the invert tick boxes so the axis movement corresponds to the axis indicator.
Make sure to click

apply settings

apply settings

to check the changes and

store settings

store settings

so the settings are saved after device reboot.

walmis•3/17/24, 11:43 AM

As for the winwing adapter - do the buttons light up in the configurator when you press them?

Knuck👨✈•3/17/24, 11:48 AM

Ok I’ll do all that thanks mate. No they don’t light up in configurator

walmis•3/17/24, 11:53 AM

Can you set the grip type to Debug, and make screenshot of the Debug tab?

Knuck👨✈•3/17/24, 11:55 AM

VVirus just a small question...I have winwing adapter and winwing f16 grip....in the VP...

Virus•3/17/24, 11:55 AM

@walmis do you any clue why?

VVirus @walmis do you any clue why?

walmis•3/17/24, 12:07 PM

Not sure, it's reported to the OS as the first hat though

Virus•3/17/24, 12:16 PM

Yes that's my thought as well, but also in windows control panel if you move it, it is in green (pov1 is red usually) so something strange is going on (minor I know, but if solved I could keep 1 to 1 the same bindings as with my winwing base which I use as side stick)

Knuck👨✈•3/17/24, 12:36 PM

Glaive(Rikk)•3/17/24, 12:42 PM

Was using the stick this morning all fine, just plugged it back in and now totally dead. Checked the PSU which is outputting 19v fine, but stick itself is dead, windows also doesn't recognise it being plugged in anymore.

Anything I can check, I'm pretty ok with electronics? Didn't want to go digging in straight away.

Glaive(Rikk)•3/17/24, 12:47 PM

Little more checking, I get the beeps out of the base as I plug in the USB, but as above windows isn't seeing it and the joystick itself is limp like the stop button is pressed in.

walmis•3/17/24, 12:57 PM

Beeping indicates that the mainboard is still working. Do the motors anti cogging work when you plug in the power?
Is it connected to the mainboard or via hub?

KKnuck👨✈Click to see attachment

walmis•3/17/24, 1:01 PM

Looks like base communicates with the adapter OK, maybe your grip connector is not fully inserted?

Wwalmis Beeping indicates that the mainboard is still working. Do the motors anti coggin...

Glaive(Rikk)•3/17/24, 1:07 PM

I assume you mean by anti cogging that it's smooth rather than the feeling of bumps as you move the stick? if so then yes thats working.
It was through a hub but have tried it directly with the same results

GGlaive(Rikk)I assume you mean by anti cogging that it's smooth rather than the feeling of bu...

walmis•3/17/24, 1:11 PM

Probably a good idea to try a different usb cable if you haven't done so already, before digging any deeper

Wwalmis Probably a good idea to try a different usb cable if you haven't done so already...

Glaive(Rikk)•3/17/24, 1:16 PM

Was just in the process of doing that and yep, somehow the cable is faulty....... Oh well catastophy averted

Pikas62•3/17/24, 3:37 PM

OK, I reconnect the adapter with the stick and report back

Pikas62•3/17/24, 3:40 PM

ok I will realign the arrow

Broadway•3/17/24, 5:24 PM

too exited to re read everything , but will start .....

Just built a DIY Rhino finished about an hour ago , all working in VPC mounted VKB via adaptor , joystick buttons all working , played with the TelemFFB configuration files and it updated the IL2 start up file BUT .... i start IL2 , i go to settings , it sees JOYSTICK 10 as the Rhino , and by moving the stick it records roll as X , pitch as Y , but when i try and fly i get no response on either axis in the plane . Tried a reboot , restarting game and stick , and ideas ,

Broadway•3/17/24, 5:25 PM

Device Firmware: v1.0.16

BBroadway too exited to re read everything , but will start ..... Just built a DIY Rh...

Number481•3/17/24, 5:39 PM

I know IL2 has issues when too many USB devices are connected.. that can manifest in different ways. Sounds like you have a lot of devices (joystick 10). Try disconnecting some thing or two and see if it registers while in the aircraft. Some folks also use HID Hide.

Also make sure you explicitly enable FFB in the IL2 input device settings, though this won't cause what you are seeing

Lastly, you mention TelemFFB config files.. you're probably using the "stable release" version... you'll want to grab the release version as it is much more feature rich (and no pesky text config files). Check the pinned messages in #VPforce-TelemFFB for a link to the downloads page.

Broadway•3/17/24, 5:50 PM

thanks , i did wonder about the Joystick 10 issue , i have a few that i would like to keep

1- VKB stick

Slaw Pedals
3 Throttle 1
4 Throttle 2
5&6 2x button boxes
7 The RHINO

also how should windows USB controllers see the Rhino , anything i need to do , or delete there ?

And yes i have stable Telem FFB , will latest release

Number481•3/17/24, 6:15 PM

You don't need or want to do anything in the windows usb controller, all calibration and any necessecary axis inversions should be done through the configurator.

I can't really give you any further tips on the (potential) HID device count issue. I've never run into the issue myself, but I know many have. A lot of people end up using HidHide (https://github.com/nefarius/HidHide) to mask certain peripherals that are not needed from being seein by IL2 so they don't have to disconnect anything.

I'd test the theory out before going down that path though. Disconnect a couple devices and try IL2 again and see if it sees the Rhino device properly during flight.

legwan10•3/17/24, 7:15 PM

After 1-2min of intense flying, like dogfight, fan starting. I suppose it's for cooling down motors. But is it normal the motors getting warm that quick? Power knob is set on about 50-60%.

I also run both on my PC, so far so good (3-4 sessions so far with dedi servers) Everything works as

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