I think latest Wip drasticly improved forces and general vibrations and feeling in MFS in general. A

I think latest Wip drasticly improved forces and general vibrations and feeling in MFS in general. Anything I tried flying I was blown away how good it felt compared to before

Edwin.Zhang•4/2/24, 2:51 PM

On this page, I've already switched to the F-18 in DCS, but my rudder pedals are still stuck on the AH64D. This is strange, and of course, the F-18's rudder FFB feedback is definitely not available.

EEdwin.Zhang On this page, I've already switched to the F-18 in DCS, but my rudder pedals are...

walmis•4/2/24, 2:53 PM

I think @Number481 might have some insights here. But it's best to move telemFFB related discussions here: https://discord.com/channels/965234441511383080/1093558100713279508

Edwin.Zhang•4/2/24, 2:53 PM

DDuraCell I think latest Wip drasticly improved forces and general vibrations and feeling ...

Spelljammer1•4/2/24, 3:28 PM

that's good news! I'll figure out how to install the WIP then.
any particular favourites of yours?

Spelljammer1•4/2/24, 3:28 PM

It seemed okayish when I tried a helo, but the Rhino was trembling awkwardly when I tried the Dune ornithopter.

FFr4Ged You don't have to use the force trim settings in the effects tab of the VPforce ...

mark turner•4/2/24, 3:31 PM

Thanks, any comment regarding 1st & 3rd queries?

Wwalmis Made a google form for the MFG kit, early adopters are welcome to sign up 🙂 htt...

Skood•4/2/24, 3:41 PM

Will these only ever be offered for the MFG? I recently sold mine and got Slaw RH Rotors.

Mmark turner Thanks, any comment regarding 1st & 3rd queries?

Fr4Ged•4/2/24, 3:45 PM

I use instant trim (ffb friendly) for the cyclic as that was recommended.
Without springs and FFB wouldn't make sense since we are using FFB.
for the settings there isn't really a recommendation. Play around and use what you like.
also use TelemFFB, too

AndyHill•4/2/24, 3:46 PM

I think we're about to find out if the kit works with older mfgs

mark turner•4/2/24, 3:49 PM

Just been trying stuff out, instant trim is the way, I agree. The telemFFB effects are superb, I was using a CM3 Virpil base before which was very nice, but this is really good. Been using a Rhino in my jet sim pit for around 6 months now and really love it and was wondering how much better one would be in the Helo pit. Pleasantly surprised!

Wwalmis Made a google form for the MFG kit, early adopters are welcome to sign up 🙂 htt...

Chuff•4/2/24, 4:43 PM

I know it's pointless with the current state of what sims are exporting and such, but I'd really love to have ffb on the brake axes at some point. Steering airplanes with differential braking is easy in real life, but a PITA in the sims.

Chuff•4/2/24, 4:46 PM

But any idea what the time fram is going to roughly be for people who go ahead and fill out the mfg preorder today?

CChuff I know it's pointless with the current state of what sims are exporting and such...

PiNKSH!T•4/2/24, 4:48 PM

I've wondered how load cells would go on the toe brakes, I believe someone here did try it as a mod. If it could be done somewhat close to the racing sim brakes it might feel a lot better & be a bit more precise, I for one would def love some really nice feeling toe brakes closer to irl.

Chuff•4/2/24, 4:49 PM

for sure. I actually think it would be more of an improvement for me than the actual rudder axis. I don't fly helis at all, though.

PPiNKSH!T I've wondered how load cells would go on the toe brakes, I believe someone here ...

Toddimus•4/2/24, 4:56 PM

Load cells or force sensing resistors are on my list for a mod someday. Need to build my FFB stick/rudders/collective first though.

AAndyHill I think we're about to find out if the kit works with older mfgs

MashedPotato•4/2/24, 5:20 PM

V2 and V3 are almost identical, the only thing that moved is one screw hole, but didn't Walmis say that this kit is gonna require some drilling anyways? Not sure how much V1 varies, but I imagine due to the fact that you are replacing the entire MFG drive and swapping in the VP Force drive, it should be possible, since they should have a damn near identical footprint

AndyHill•4/2/24, 5:49 PM

I'm wondering about the tow brake sensor connectors

Chuff•4/2/24, 5:51 PM

thing is, if there's no info coming back from the sim about when exactly the brakes are engaging or how much brake force is being applied in the sim, the ffb on the axes is kind of useless. It wouldn't be helpful beyond just making the brakes "feel" better.

Number481•4/2/24, 5:57 PM

I see two problems here.
1.) Our calfs/feet are pretty strong. It would be nigh physically impossible to get motors and/or gear reduction on the brake axes that were strong enough to produce even remotely convincing results.
2.) Lack of telemetry. Given what I know about telemetry from the various sims I would put them in this order:
- X-Plane - probably has data you could use
- MSFS - maybe has enough data to use
- DCS - no way
- IL-2 - not a snowballs chance in hell

Chuff•4/2/24, 6:03 PM

telemetry is the big one for sure. the feedback doesn't have to be real world convincing. It just needs to tell you that the brakes are engaged and applying force or they aren't. As long as it's enough feedback to feel the actual engagement point, it would be enough. Taxiing warbirds is a PITA right now, or engaging the brakes unevenly after landing and suddenly veering towards one side of the runway.

Number481•4/2/24, 6:05 PM

Ive said before that I've thought about buying some different rubber balls/tennis balls/racquet balls to see if I can shove one of them in the hinge point of my Virpil pedals to see if I can get a more progressive brake feeling than that standard linear springs

Teeks•4/2/24, 6:07 PM

I guess you'd install FFB on your pedals so you wouldnt have to remove the spring between fixed wing and rotary every (bloody!) time?

TTeeks I guess you'd install FFB on your pedals so you wouldnt have to remove the sprin...

Number481•4/2/24, 6:12 PM

that is, by far, the biggest benefit, and worth every penny in its own rite IMHO. You also get dynamic forces with non-FBW aircraft, trim following and of course all of the other auxiliary effects too.

Teeks•4/2/24, 6:13 PM

I'm gonna sign up just for the spring replacement feature!

TTeeks I'm gonna sign up just for the spring replacement feature!

Skood•4/2/24, 6:21 PM

Yeah, this feature alone is tempting me to pick up another set of MFG’s. Anyone want to buy some Slaw’s?

AAndyHill I'm wondering about the tow brake sensor connectors

MashedPotato•4/2/24, 6:56 PM

It's just gonna be an adapter that runs the hall sensors to the VP Force board, not another axis of FFB

AndyHill•4/2/24, 6:59 PM

the cables are different

AndyHill•4/2/24, 7:01 PM

is there an adapter I can get or make for that:

set-of-brake-axis-cables-2x-for-v1-pedals-preassembled.png

Number481•4/2/24, 7:02 PM

the two ports on the the VPforce board are analog inputs... presumably the hall sensors on the pedals are digital output sensors?

Number481•4/2/24, 7:02 PM

It's why I didnt explore trying to re-route the inputs on my virpil pedals..

Number481•4/2/24, 7:03 PM

I'm also only %80 sure of what I'm even talking about.. maybe theres a way I dont know about

walmis•4/2/24, 7:05 PM

Yeah, the pot inputs on the Rhino board will accept the toe pedals from the MFGs, so the original board will be completely redundant

Number481•4/2/24, 7:05 PM

ahh.. nice.. thats a big +

Toddimus•4/2/24, 7:07 PM

But then you would lose the ability to adjust FFB effects with a pot, right? Or can another board (I.e. the stick’s board) control effect strength globally?

Toddimus•4/2/24, 7:08 PM

Via TelemFFB

AndyHill•4/2/24, 7:08 PM

they do sell a completely new set of sensor+cable

AndyHill•4/2/24, 7:09 PM

I don't know if this is mechanically compatible with the V1 pedals https://mfg-sim.com/rudder-spare-parts/set-of-brake-axis-cables-2x-for-v23-pedals-yoinnovati-preassembled.html

MFG

Set of brake axis cables (2x) for V2/3 pedals YOINNOVATI - preassem...

Spare part for MFG Crosswind rudders V2/3

AndyHill•4/2/24, 7:10 PM

or is there some kind of a simple adapter I can make (I'm assuming the new board has the V2/3 style connector?)

AndyHill•4/2/24, 7:14 PM

In general it might be a good thing to mention about the difference especially if an adapter can't be provided

MashedPotato•4/2/24, 7:52 PM

Those sensors are almost certainly just a digital in/out. The connector in that case would likely just need to be swapped out to match the new style connector to tie in to the rhino pedal board

TToddimus But then you would lose the ability to adjust FFB effects with a pot, right? Or...

MashedPotato•4/2/24, 7:53 PM

the pedals will have their own control board, so this is completely separate from your stick and it's pot control

EEdwin.Zhang Joystick and Pedal

smitty•4/2/24, 8:04 PM

if you set your settings like this, you can do it all in one window. And then click on the logo JOYSTICK to switch

AndyHill•4/2/24, 8:12 PM

it would be helpful if I knew what those connector types were so could try to source some

AndyHill•4/2/24, 8:12 PM

or even more helpful if you could get an adapter with the kit

MMashedPotato the pedals will have their own control board, so this is completely separate fro...

Toddimus•4/2/24, 8:21 PM

Yeah, I get that if you just use the pedals' control board, the brake signals would do what they had always done. I was asking about using the two analog inputs on the VPForce USB board for brakes.

TToddimus Yeah, I get that if you just use the pedals' control board, the brake signals wo...

MashedPotato•4/2/24, 8:25 PM

As long as whatever sensor you're using is analogue, sure. Those sensor input points are just looking for a measurable shift in electrical signal (like a pot). If you want to do something more complex, you'd need to setup a shift register or breakout board, and code it to emulate a joystick that the Rhino board can run

Toddimus•4/2/24, 8:41 PM

:). I get that too. My specific question was asking whether one could use the pot input on another VPForce board to globally apply FFB effects strength across two or more VPForce boards. So if I used the two analog inputs on my FFB pedals for brake signals, could I use the pot on my stick VPForce board to adjust force strength on the pedals.

MashedPotato•4/2/24, 9:56 PM

Like via a hardware link? You could wire the pot to both boards via mutual connections as long as the pot has the throughput to send signal to both. That would be a super annoying wiring setup though. In software, that should be pretty easy though

Toddimus•4/2/24, 9:58 PM

In software.

Duchess ✈•4/2/24, 10:11 PM

Just a quick, general question. I have a TM F-18 grip in the Rhino…. It feels like something is loose in the grip itself, near the base the grip has a tiny, clicking movement. It is not noticeable when going side to sides only fore and aft, right near where the twist collar is. Anyone know how I should tighten it up?

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