I listed this in suggestions but it’s more fitting In general: So should I use the VKB extension st

I listed this in suggestions but it’s more fitting In general:

So should I use the VKB extension stick with the Vpf base or would that be really long? Correct me if I’m wrong but I’d feel more force with a shorter stick right?

Mmaxonly could you share the part number of the rod ends you ended up using?

Will3D•5/1/24, 8:20 PM

Sorry, I coudln't find the exact ones now. They came from the UK, and I think were using in racing gocarts. If that helps.

SSup3rToc0!I listed this in suggestions but it’s more fitting In general: So should I use ...

Jon (Bounty_V)•5/1/24, 8:30 PM

You would feel more with a shorter stick yes because physics, or more specifically it would be 'harder to move the stick' at same nm set compared to a longer extension

but it is still all down to preference. Similarly you would feel more strength with a lighter grip (i.e. mcg pro vs mcg ultimate)

Jon (Bounty_V)•5/1/24, 8:31 PM

so for example on a 200mm extension while the mcg u works perfectly fine it'll feel a little different from using the mcg pro

Mmaxonly could you share the part number of the rod ends you ended up using?

mechsicko•5/1/24, 10:20 PM

I got tired of rodends which are either cheap and sloppy or expensive and less sloppy and make my own pushrods now.. 1 end is a regular ball eating the other is a self-aligning type. My initial units are made from 2 stainless laser cut pieces that are soldered together but will switch to cast ones in the future. They look like this (missing the self aligning bearing):

Spelljammer1•5/2/24, 12:06 AM

Lovely Force Feedback Settings tab in Star Wars Episode 1 Racer.

Spelljammer1•5/2/24, 12:07 AM

I'm wondering if someone managed to get this working with the Rhino. Currently in Win11 the joystick menu in game does not recognize any joysticks.

Duchess ✈•5/2/24, 2:07 AM

Can someone explain or point me in the right direction for dealing with the trim in the Apache? I am just not understanding it at all.

Ice•5/2/24, 2:08 AM

At what temp does the Rhino's fan come on and at what temp does it begin to reduce force?

DDuchess ✈Can someone explain or point me in the right direction for dealing with the trim...

Ice•5/2/24, 2:09 AM

Is the Apache your first helicopter?

IIce Is the Apache your first helicopter?

Duchess ✈•5/2/24, 2:10 AM

No, I used to be able to fly it quite well with the Virpil, but I must have something set wrong with the Rhino.

Ice•5/2/24, 2:11 AM

Dumb questions first: Do you have force feedback enabled in DCS general settings and the Apache's trimmer mode set to Instant Trim (FFB FRIENDLY) in the special settings?

IIce Dumb questions first: Do you have force feedback enabled in DCS general settings...

Duchess ✈•5/2/24, 2:15 AM

Yes, just to make sure I went back and checked.

Ice•5/2/24, 2:15 AM

I fly the Apache a lot, I'm not an expert by any means, but if you describe what you're struggling with, I may be able to help.

Fierce_Fire•5/2/24, 2:15 AM

Do you have trim bound in dcs apache?

Fierce_Fire•5/2/24, 2:16 AM

Cause you should have a lot of spring force normally, but when you press and hold trim up it'll become a dead stick

Ice•5/2/24, 2:17 AM

Ice•5/2/24, 2:18 AM

Remember, holding trim up will also reset the SAS back to your physical input. While holding it, the SAS is inactive. Once you release it, the SAS becomes active again

Duchess ✈•5/2/24, 2:20 AM

Yes, I have trim bound. And it is very possible I am using trim when I should not be. Taking off in the Apache Instant Action in NTTR, I take off fine. The second I press the trim switch forward the stick goes slack, the moment I release trim, the stick goes full aft.

Ice•5/2/24, 2:21 AM

yeah that's weird

Ice•5/2/24, 2:21 AM

Something is not right there.

Ice•5/2/24, 2:21 AM

Make sure you have hardware force trim disabled in VP Configurator

Ice•5/2/24, 2:21 AM

When you let go, it should stay where you leave it.

Ice•5/2/24, 2:22 AM

Check your DCS axis binds as well, make sure they’re not double bound with another axis

Duchess ✈•5/2/24, 2:24 AM

Just checked the configurator, Hardware Force Trim is not checked.

Duchess ✈•5/2/24, 2:24 AM

I will check the axis binding.

Duchess ✈•5/2/24, 2:29 AM

Nope... DCS bindings are clear.

Ice•5/2/24, 2:30 AM

Nothing bound to the non-axis flight controls?

Ice•5/2/24, 2:30 AM

Such as Cyclic - Nose DOWN

Ice•5/2/24, 2:30 AM

or Cyclic - Nose UP

Duchess ✈•5/2/24, 2:35 AM

Nope... just keyboard. I thought it might be because in the configurator I have the Grip Type set to VPC when I am using a TM F-18. The trim buttons are seen as a hat this way instead of buttons. The trim in aircraft does not work unless I set it to VPC T-50, but I set it to generic grip, remapped the buttons and am still getting the same behavior.

Number481•5/2/24, 2:36 AM

General guidance:
- Make sure the special options trimmer is set to Instant/FFB FriendlyInstant/FFB Friendly
- Make sure you don't have any curves set on the axis, they are not compatible with FFB
- Make sure your rhino is properly calibrated and that the axis position dot in configurator follows the stick correctly. If it is inverted, reverse the axis is configurator - do not reverse it in DCS.

DDuchess ✈Nope... just keyboard. I thought it might be because in the configurator I have...

Ice•5/2/24, 2:39 AM

Yeah, I'm not too sure. I use a Winwing 16EX so I use the Winwing adapter setting with no issues

IIce Yeah, I'm not too sure. I use a Winwing 16EX so I use the Winwing adapter settin...

Duchess ✈•5/2/24, 2:39 AM

What is the WW adapter?

Ice•5/2/24, 2:39 AM

"Grip Type"

Ice•5/2/24, 2:40 AM

in the VP configurator

NNumber481 General guidance: - Make sure the special options trimmer is set to `Instant/FFB...

Duchess ✈•5/2/24, 2:43 AM

Oh holy hell!!! This was it!!!! Thank you!!! My pitch axis was inverted and needed to be checked in the Configurator. Then going back to DCS, I made sure the pitch axis was not inverted in the DCS bindings, it is not and now it works!!!!

IIce in the VP configurator

Duchess ✈•5/2/24, 2:44 AM

There is no physical adapter? Or is there. I have a WW F-16 Grip, but just ordered the TM F-16 grip to use with the Rhino.

Duchess ✈•5/2/24, 2:46 AM

OMG!! I stopped flying helos after buying the Rhino because I could not get it to work. Bring on the Kiowa and Chinook!!!!

Duchess ✈•5/2/24, 2:54 AM

One more dumb question now that I am back flying helos, I have the WW Skywalker pedals, what should my pedal option be in the Special Control menu?

DDuchess ✈One more dumb question now that I am back flying helos, I have the WW Skywalker ...

Ice•5/2/24, 2:54 AM

The Apache definitely needs pedal trim unless you have no springs on the pedals

Ice•5/2/24, 2:55 AM

I use central position mode for the pedals

Fierce_Fire•5/2/24, 2:56 AM

Honestly i disagree, using pedal trim makes it hard to control when you remove trim

Fierce_Fire•5/2/24, 2:56 AM

When it jumps to the new position youll sway pretty bad

Ice•5/2/24, 2:56 AM

Not if you use central mode. When you click the trimmer, it holds that spot until you recenter the pedals

Ice•5/2/24, 2:57 AM

If you used instant it would

Ice•5/2/24, 2:57 AM

Basically you click the trimmer, the pedals are locked into that spot until you physically recenter your pedals IRL

Duchess ✈•5/2/24, 2:58 AM

The pedals can either have a spring or no centering spring.

Ice•5/2/24, 2:59 AM

For helos, no spring would be best then you don't have to worry about pedal trim

Duchess ✈•5/2/24, 3:12 AM

Okay, I am definitely going to have to practice to get used to flying with no spring in the pedals, but this is making me super excited for the upcoming helos.

Duchess ✈•5/2/24, 4:18 AM

Holy crap! I cannot stress how much I have been missing in the FFB experience with this one simple fix of making sure the axis were not inverted in the configurator. It is a whole new game! Amazing, simply amazing.

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