Can someone explain or point me in the right direction for dealing with the trim in the Apache? I a
Can someone explain or point me in the right direction for dealing with the trim in the Apache? I am just not understanding it at all.
IAt what temp does the Rhino's fan come on and at what temp does it begin to reduce force?
IIs the Apache your first helicopter?
DNo, I used to be able to fly it quite well with the Virpil, but I must have something set wrong with the Rhino.
IDumb questions first: Do you have force feedback enabled in DCS general settings and the Apache's trimmer mode set to Instant Trim (FFB FRIENDLY) in the special settings?
DYes, just to make sure I went back and checked.
II fly the Apache a lot, I'm not an expert by any means, but if you describe what you're struggling with, I may be able to help.
FDo you have trim bound in dcs apache?
FCause you should have a lot of spring force normally, but when you press and hold trim up it'll become a dead stick
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IRemember, holding trim up will also reset the SAS back to your physical input. While holding it, the SAS is inactive. Once you release it, the SAS becomes active again
DYes, I have trim bound. And it is very possible I am using trim when I should not be. Taking off in the Apache Instant Action in NTTR, I take off fine. The second I press the trim switch forward the stick goes slack, the moment I release trim, the stick goes full aft.
Iyeah that's weird
ISomething is not right there.
IMake sure you have hardware force trim disabled in VP Configurator
IWhen you let go, it should stay where you leave it.
ICheck your DCS axis binds as well, make sure they’re not double bound with another axis
DJust checked the configurator, Hardware Force Trim is not checked.
DI will check the axis binding.
DNope... DCS bindings are clear.
INothing bound to the non-axis flight controls?
ISuch as Cyclic - Nose DOWN
Ior Cyclic - Nose UP
DNope... just keyboard. I thought it might be because in the configurator I have the Grip Type set to VPC when I am using a TM F-18. The trim buttons are seen as a hat this way instead of buttons. The trim in aircraft does not work unless I set it to VPC T-50, but I set it to generic grip, remapped the buttons and am still getting the same behavior.
NGeneral guidance:
- Make sure the special options trimmer is set to
- Make sure you don't have any curves set on the axis, they are not compatible with FFB
- Make sure your rhino is properly calibrated and that the axis position dot in configurator follows the stick correctly. If it is inverted, reverse the axis is configurator - do not reverse it in DCS.
- Make sure the special options trimmer is set to
Instant/FFB Friendly- Make sure you don't have any curves set on the axis, they are not compatible with FFB
- Make sure your rhino is properly calibrated and that the axis position dot in configurator follows the stick correctly. If it is inverted, reverse the axis is configurator - do not reverse it in DCS.
IYeah, I'm not too sure. I use a Winwing 16EX so I use the Winwing adapter setting with no issues
DWhat is the WW adapter?
I"Grip Type"
Iin the VP configurator
DOh holy hell!!! This was it!!!! Thank you!!! My pitch axis was inverted and needed to be checked in the Configurator. Then going back to DCS, I made sure the pitch axis was not inverted in the DCS bindings, it is not and now it works!!!!
DThere is no physical adapter? Or is there. I have a WW F-16 Grip, but just ordered the TM F-16 grip to use with the Rhino.
DOMG!! I stopped flying helos after buying the Rhino because I could not get it to work. Bring on the Kiowa and Chinook!!!!
DOne more dumb question now that I am back flying helos, I have the WW Skywalker pedals, what should my pedal option be in the Special Control menu?
IThe Apache definitely needs pedal trim unless you have no springs on the pedals
II use central position mode for the pedals
FHonestly i disagree, using pedal trim makes it hard to control when you remove trim
FWhen it jumps to the new position youll sway pretty bad
INot if you use central mode. When you click the trimmer, it holds that spot until you recenter the pedals
IIf you used instant it would
IBasically you click the trimmer, the pedals are locked into that spot until you physically recenter your pedals IRL
DThe pedals can either have a spring or no centering spring.
IFor helos, no spring would be best then you don't have to worry about pedal trim
DOkay, I am definitely going to have to practice to get used to flying with no spring in the pedals, but this is making me super excited for the upcoming helos.
DHoly crap! I cannot stress how much I have been missing in the FFB experience with this one simple fix of making sure the axis were not inverted in the configurator. It is a whole new game! Amazing, simply amazing.
TMan…. I’m going to be searching all your posts when I start hitting some walls.
This stuff is like golden because some of this set up stuff honestly got ya boy scared a little bit
Won’t admit it naw but yeah for real…
This stuff is like golden because some of this set up stuff honestly got ya boy scared a little bit
Won’t admit it naw but yeah for real…
TSo DCS curves arent compatible with FFB? Im assuming there's a similar option in the telem software or whatever ?
MThanks, I'll have a look
Nnot just DCS curves, but curves + FFB in general. If you think about what would happen when the center is no longer [0,0], it no longer makes sense. It also isn't feasible to try to move the curve with the center position.
In MSFS, where we are in full control of the axis position via TelemFFB, we support axis scaling/saturation.
Unfortunately in DCS, setting the saturation results in the same divergence of axis [x,y] versus FFB (physical) [x,y] across the range of an axis.
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In MSFS, where we are in full control of the axis position via TelemFFB, we support axis scaling/saturation.
Unfortunately in DCS, setting the saturation results in the same divergence of axis [x,y] versus FFB (physical) [x,y] across the range of an axis.
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MNice design, do you use a maintenance free self aligning bearing?
Tgood point. saturation curves work well when a stick is centered with springs after a trim, but it doesnt make sense with a force trim staying in position
MNo they are ball bearings not spherical bushings. They have 2 rows of balls and the outer race is dished so they can deflect off-axis while carrying radial loads. These things
