What module(s) are you flying? TelemFFB overrides everything on the pedals. What do you experien

What module(s) are you flying?

TelemFFB overrides everything on the pedals. What do you experience when you start and run DCS without TelemFFB running?

Can you post screenshots of your configurator settings and effects tabs for both your joystick and pedals?

NNumber481 What module(s) are you flying? TelemFFB overrides everything on the pedals. ...

J2_NobiWan•5/18/24, 11:15 PM

Testet with Fw190A8 and F-18. Without TelemFFB it is the same behavior, only without the periodic effects of course. Stick goes limp without spring force. Thats why i thought it's not related to TelemFFB. Will post screenshots tomorrow.

J2_NobiWan•5/19/24, 9:27 AM

J2_NobiWan•5/19/24, 9:29 AM

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Number481OP•5/19/24, 10:54 AM

I dont see anything abnormal.

To be clear, the normal experience when starting DCS is as follows:
- During startup, FFB device will go limp as DCS sends a "reset all effects" command when it is loading.
- In DCS menu, spring will continue to be limp
- Depending on the module
- when you get to the 'fly now' screen, the stick may remain limp or may go to center at full spring force
- after loading into the aircraft, again, it depends on the module but typically...
- Warbirds
- On the ground - Stick will be limp as no air is flowing over the control surfaces
- at speed/in the air - Spring force will tighten up as you increase speed
- FBW Jets
- spring force should be constant
- Helicopters pretty much always have spring enabled except when pressing the trim release button or in the UH-1 with the force trim switch disabled

Are you, by chance, running a local Dedicated Server instance of DCS? (There's a bug that I dont think got fixed where the server ceases control of FFB if it is started after the game instance)

NNumber481 I dont see anything abnormal. To be clear, the normal experience when starting ...

J2_NobiWan•5/19/24, 11:07 AM

Yes, what you describe is exactly what I experience when having only the stick plugged in. However when the pedals are also plugged in, the stick stays limp even in flight. No dedicated server involved. Very strange and it looks like I am the only one with this problem. I understand that DCS should be sending the stick forces to all attached devices, correct? And telemffb is disabling them for pedals and collecitve and introduces its own spring forces. But it seems that DCS isn't sending the forces to my stick when the pedals are connected. The only way to make it all work together is to start DCS with the pedals unplugged, connect them when DCS is up and do the "rescan devices" thing.
Thanks for your time already spent looking into it!
I'll do some more experimenting and look for clues and let you know if I find some more hints.

JJ2_NobiWan Yes, what you describe is exactly what I experience when having only the stick p...

Number481OP•5/19/24, 11:26 AM

Ya, thats a weird one. You are correct. Without TelemFFB, pedals should exactly mimic what your joystick X axis does from an FFB perspective. It will get the same commands from DCS for spring force as well as (aileron\cyclic-x) trim position.

When you re-plug the joystick after DCS has started, DCS never sends the "reset all effects", so your spring remains active. I would guess though that you don't get dynamic forces in a warbird when doing it that way?

When I see weird stuff like that, I always recommend a DCS slow repair. Usually it doesn't help, but its always worth a shot :).

Number481OP•5/19/24, 11:32 AM

You can also look at the debug tab in configurator and see what is actually being set on the joystick in a given situation.. This is sitting in the menu after a game start. You can see the spring effect is stopped (grey text). You can also see the "reset" in the log, which came from DCS during startup.

Number481OP•5/19/24, 11:33 AM

And here is the same session after loading into the F18. You can see the spring effect (ID:5) is now enabled with the gain (coefficient) set to 4055

J2_NobiWan•5/19/24, 11:36 AM

Yes, this is how the loaded effects looks with unplugged pedals. When pedals are plugged in the sticks spring effect exists but stays greyed out. Didn't pay attention to the reset command, will do later.

Spanner•5/20/24, 4:12 AM

@walmis do you feel comfortable sharing the STL file for the winwing adapter? unfortunately a badly trimmed aircraft during simulator loading managed to swing my joystick around and the poor plastic snapped in half. all of the electronics seem to be intact, though.

edit: after a surprising amount of hope offered by... superglue, sadly i realized it seems i did somehow manage to break the electronic. guess i'll have to do a new order...

let this be the lesson that WE PRESS THE RED BUTTON WHEN WE'RE DONE USING RHINO

SSpanner @walmis do you feel comfortable sharing the STL file for the winwing adapter? un...

walmis•5/20/24, 9:07 AM

Which part did break? The threaded ring ?

Wwalmis Which part did break? The threaded ring ?

Spanner•5/20/24, 12:03 PM

Yeah, the connection between the threaded ring and the bottom larger base snapped in half

superbird1011•5/21/24, 7:58 PM

Does anyone know why the VP Rhino with the VPC T50 grip might have CONSTANT false button presses that make binding everything impossible. i get this weird map of button presses (like 25, 26, 27) etc with every button so I can't bind in dcs etc

Ssuperbird1011 Does anyone know why the VP Rhino with the VPC T50 grip might have CONSTANT fals...

Touch_Of_Legend•5/21/24, 10:21 PM

You have to select T50CM2 and then it shows the brake (pinky trigger) as an Axis.

In the Rhino software you can then calibrate the Axis.

When you plug in a T50Mongoose and select “generic” it shows some erratic button presses so just select for the CM2.

Works totally fine.

Yep I have the Mongoose T50CM as well and this is the workaround.

The only actual difference was they replaced our thumb button with a Hat and they added click Hats where we have 4 ways.

So you just bind it as normal and good to go (the unused inputs don’t register).

TTouch_Of_Legend You have to select T50CM2 and then it shows the brake (pinky trigger) as an Axis...

superbird1011•5/21/24, 10:21 PM

Thank you! I will try this trick, i did have it selected with the correct grip but i dont think i’ve calibrated it with the brake trigger too. Just getting everything ready for the Phantom!

Ssuperbird1011 Thank you! I will try this trick, i did have it selected with the correct grip b...

Touch_Of_Legend•5/21/24, 10:26 PM

Fun fact they used to affectionately call the F4 the Rhino

Happy flying!

Touch_Of_Legend•5/21/24, 10:27 PM

Oh and yes I’m waiting too.. Reading the manual as we speak

TTouch_Of_Legend Oh and yes I’m waiting too.. Reading the manual as we speak 👍🏽

superbird1011•5/21/24, 10:27 PM

If you want a wingman you know where i am!

Touch_Of_Legend•5/21/24, 10:27 PM

https://tacairnet.com/2015/06/18/redeveloping-the-f-4-phantom-ii-into-a-mach-3-fighterspy-plane/

The Tactical Air NetworkIan D'Costa

Redeveloping the F-4 Phantom II into a Mach 3+ Fighter/Spy Plane

Few aircraft in history have flown to the same level of distinction as McDonnell Douglas’ F-4 Phantom II. It was the jet that ushered in a new age of fighter aviation, proving itself on the f…

Touch_Of_Legend•5/21/24, 10:29 PM

Read the article and you see about half way down where is says what airmen used to call her.

(Yep we’re driving Rhino’s with a Rhino)

Touch_Of_Legend•5/21/24, 10:29 PM

So it’s really only fitting that we have a wing of Rhino drivers.

Touch_Of_Legend•5/21/24, 10:32 PM

Maybe someone should save that somewhere..

It’s very fitting the plane nicknamed the Rhino is from an era before FBW so it’s going to take full advantage of “the Rhino” FFB systems…

I’m pretty excited for this one for sure

Touch_Of_Legend•5/21/24, 10:33 PM

And yeah she’s a match made in Heaven to the VPforce Rhino.

I already know this one is going to be great to fly with FFB

Ssuperbird1011 If you want a wingman you know where i am!

Touch_Of_Legend•5/21/24, 10:36 PM

See above and yep we’re going to build an entire wing of Rhino drivers!

superbird1011•5/21/24, 10:37 PM

I’m going to read that now. And yeah! I’ve been excited for the Phantom ever since I got my Rhino. I knew it was going to be perfect for it, especially with Heatblur as the devs!

Touch_Of_Legend•5/21/24, 10:38 PM

@walmis @Subsonic (Protomaker) see what I posted above.

You guys know the F4 was affectionately known as “the Rhino”

And like.. a bunch of folks with FFB will be flying phantom II (aka the Rhino)

Touch_Of_Legend•5/21/24, 10:40 PM

So see we’re going to be Rhino’s

flying… Rhino’s!!

Number481OP•5/21/24, 10:41 PM

PhPhB

Asger•5/21/24, 10:59 PM

hello again. I would be grateful if someone can help with Rhino and IL2. It is the only device connected so nothing interferes and IL2 recognises the device when started up but when I try to map it the game does not listen to the Rhino and can´t do anything

AAsger hello again. I would be grateful if someone can help with Rhino and IL2. It is t...

Number481OP•5/21/24, 11:08 PM

You likely have too many usb devices. Lot of people use HIDHide to mask unneeded devices from IL2. But you can test just by disconnecting any devices you don’t use in IL2.

Asger•5/21/24, 11:11 PM

Yes, that is what I did. I unplugged almost everything and still nothing. It is annoying.

Asger•5/21/24, 11:16 PM

Could it be related to the port selected in the telemetry text added in the LUA file?

Asger•5/21/24, 11:16 PM

I guess not but asking from ignorance

Number481OP•5/21/24, 11:20 PM

No, that’s completely unrelated to the joystick. IL2 doesn’t even know it’s related to the joystick. It’s just sending packets to an IP address.

I’ve never had to work through the issue myself so I can’t give you any other tips, but I’ve seen others with the same issue (can bind but doesn’t respond in flight) solve it with hidhide

Maybe this post will provide more insight? https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/72473-so-you-went-and-bought-too-many-peripherals/

IL-2 Sturmovik Forum

So you went and bought too many peripherals...

Il-2 supports up to 8 devices. It's possible to exceed that limit, either because you have multiple vjoy devices, have racing gear attached in addition to your flight hardware, or maybe you just went a little wild building your home cockpit. This is a short guide to fixing that problem. If You On...

Asger•5/21/24, 11:24 PM

Thanks @Number481 !!

Caprice•5/22/24, 4:52 AM

Hello! Was getting back into my tomcat and viggen yesterday, and noticed the autopilots did not seem to work as intended. is there something in the special settings that I need to enable or somewhere else to get these working correctly with the rhino base?

Please tag me so I ensure I don't miss the answer if you have one!

ddrake1984•5/22/24, 9:30 AM

Is there a way to make the pedals do a self test? like make them move on their own from min-to-max range for a few times? I want to see that the motor is pushing the pedals to their max

ddrake1984•5/22/24, 9:31 AM

@Number481 @walmis

ddrake1984•5/22/24, 10:30 AM

also, is there a way to have the Joystick and Pedals named separately? unfortunately when I choose a USB Device Ident for one, the other gets that name too..

Dddrake1984 also, is there a way to have the Joystick and Pedals named separately? unfortuna...

walmis•5/22/24, 10:31 AM

Change the USB PID to 2054 for pedals and 2055 for Joystick

walmis•5/22/24, 10:31 AM

Windows doesn't support different JS names for the same PID

Wwalmis Change the USB PID to 2054 for pedals and 2055 for Joystick

ddrake1984•5/22/24, 10:32 AM

any thought about my other question regarding a self test?

walmis•5/22/24, 10:32 AM

not sure I follow the purpose of the test

ddrake1984•5/22/24, 10:34 AM

I was thinking it would be good to see it move from minimum to maximum range to check and visually see if it has consistency in the belt / motor movement etc. putting my feet on it and moving it to maximum I don't want to influence it's own movement

ddrake1984•5/22/24, 10:34 AM

this is a brand new, never used rhino (motor) pedals and I want to make sure it's all working as expected

AndyHill•5/22/24, 10:35 AM

self calibration would be cool

ddrake1984•5/22/24, 10:37 AM

WhereNoLarkFlew•5/22/24, 11:55 AM

Aluminum grip shipped for me this morning, thanks @walmis for the quick response - I know you’re keeping busy, I appreciate the help. Looking forward to trying the Rhino soon.

WhereNoLarkFlew•5/22/24, 11:58 AM

If there’s no guide on swapping grips I can take some pics and post here at some point if anyone is interested

Fer•5/22/24, 1:20 PM

Hey how can I get those pedals ??

What module(s) are you flying? TelemFFB overrides everything on the pedals. What do you experien

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