Started a thread in the heatblur server about force feedback if anyone else is interested in followi

Started a thread in the heatblur server about force feedback if anyone else is interested in following along or adding context: https://discord.com/channels/1071433028045377637/1243043128693362688

MashedPotato•5/23/24, 5:29 AM

Anyone have work around settings to smooth it out in the F-4? I set to 200%, but it felt terrible, and the trim seemed crazy skewed forward, like at no point was I flying in a comfortable position without extreme nose up attitude

MMashedPotato Anyone have work around settings to smooth it out in the F-4? I set to 200%, but...

Kowalsky•5/23/24, 5:32 AM

Same, still searching

Aamadeus Started a thread in the heatblur server about force feedback if anyone else is i...

Kowalsky•5/23/24, 5:47 AM

I can't see it, link is not working. Can you guide me where it is?

amadeusOP•5/23/24, 5:58 AM

Join the heatblur discord: https://discord.gg/heatblur-simulations

Kowalsky•5/23/24, 6:15 AM

I'm already on Heatblur discord. Just your thread is not showing up

AAndyHill elevator is essentially limp until you have some airspeed

Scarlet•5/23/24, 6:20 AM

That may be by design, to a point. The bellows-and-bob-weight artificial feel system does rely on airspeed

BBob Bushman The f4 is having issues, best guess so far but haven't tested yet myself is to i...

Shamansky•5/23/24, 8:03 AM

There is a FFB thread on F-4 dcs forums now, please contribute https://forum.dcs.world/topic/349303-ffb-force-on-x-axis-much-weaker-than-on-y-axis/

ED Forums

FFB force on x-axis much weaker than on y-axis

Is that "realistic" and intended?

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mac22443506•5/23/24, 9:51 AM

See there is a lot of discussion around this already - does anyone have any General tips about how to set the rhino up with basic functionality to work with the f4? (So far tried to use the f14 profile within Telem as the base to tweak and the rhino/FFB still feels a bit weird)

CCapnFlint What ratio do you have between Spring/Damper/Inertia etc in VPforce Configurator...

AndyHill•5/23/24, 10:19 AM

gain and spring at 100%, damper 16%, periodic 60%, constant 100%

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DoubleD•5/23/24, 1:18 PM

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Sup3rToc0!•5/23/24, 2:43 PM

Does dcs modules automatically override spring and damper forces? Or do o have to manually adjust them in the vpf software? Like to get as close to the real life F-14 stick as possible, what settings would y’all recommend?

MMashedPotato Anyone have work around settings to smooth it out in the F-4? I set to 200%, but...

Sup3rToc0!•5/23/24, 2:44 PM

I have the same issue in the F-14. Is there any fix?

AndyHill•5/23/24, 2:52 PM

the settings in settings pretty much determine what is for example the maximum spring force available to the game

AndyHill•5/23/24, 2:53 PM

in the effects tab you can set effects to be "sticky" in which case they override the game

SSup3rToc0!Does dcs modules automatically override spring and damper forces? Or do o have t...

Number481•5/23/24, 3:02 PM

DCS generally doesn't do anything with Damper/Friction/Inertia/Constant. Only Spring and, in some cases Periodic.

So to your question, those types of effects will generally stay at whatever you have them set for in configurator.

alanek2009•5/23/24, 3:03 PM

What's the estimate cost of the cheapest DYI full build?

alanek2009•5/23/24, 3:04 PM

And is it decently easy to do for someone who's never 3d printed anything before?
I'm decently technical as a sw. dev., but never did any tinkering like this before

NNumber481 DCS generally doesn't do anything with Damper/Friction/Inertia/Constant. Only S...

Sup3rToc0!•5/23/24, 3:18 PM

Thanks for the explanation. So just because my spring setting is set to 100% it doesn’t mean it will BE at 100% all the time right? It’s more of a cap?

SSup3rToc0!Thanks for the explanation. So just because my spring setting is set to 100% it ...

Number481•5/23/24, 3:23 PM

Yeah, its best to think of all the places you can set a value for an effect as a series of factors. Its Effects Tab SettingsEffects Tab Settings

Settings Tab SliderSettings Tab Slider
- FFB Commanded PercentageFFB Commanded Percentage

Number481•5/23/24, 3:25 PM

so if a module said "give me %50 spring", and you had your spring effect set up at %50 in configurator, it would result in %25 of the actual maximum force the joystick could provide

NNumber481 so if a module said "give me %50 spring", and you had your spring effect set up ...

Sup3rToc0!•5/23/24, 3:41 PM

Aaah okok that clarifies things up. So that being said though, I have spring set to 100%. In the F-14 I feel 100% spring force at all times. This feels incorrect. Sticky setting is not checked. Is there something els that may be off? I fell shake when buffeting so I know DCS is talking to the base.

Aalanek2009 And is it decently easy to do for someone who's never 3d printed anything before...

Arno•5/23/24, 3:44 PM

3D printing really has a steep learning curve particularly if you get one of the cheaper printers. It will be very frustrating at times, it all comes down to very tight settings and tolerances. You can get around that by spending 800 dollars on a printer with all the bells and whistles, they require less manual setup. But that is also what the joystick costs. If you decide not to print yourself, it is probably just as economical to buy a manufactured one from VPForce.

AArno 3D printing really has a steep learning curve particularly if you get one of the...

alanek2009•5/23/24, 3:45 PM

And what would it look like if I were let's say printing in some 3d printer shop? Would it get expensive?

SSup3rToc0!Aaah okok that clarifies things up. So that being said though, I have spring set...

Number481•5/23/24, 3:46 PM

AFAIK, the F14 does not model any dynamic forces? I don't really fly it (Im one of those "bought it on sale but never found the time to really use it" people

)

Arno•5/23/24, 3:47 PM

I would only do that for stuff you can't buy. So then I would get the ready made rhino. You can get all the files and upload them here to get a cost estimate: https://jlc3dp.com/

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NNumber481 AFAIK, the F14 does not model any dynamic forces? I don't really fly it (Im one...

Sup3rToc0!•5/23/24, 3:49 PM

See I fly it a LOT, but I just got FFB and mount set up last night lol. HB states it is dynamic and modeled so I think I’m doing something wrong lol

AArno I would only do that for stuff you can't buy. So then I would get the ready made...

alanek2009•5/23/24, 3:53 PM

And any idea what's the estimate cost if I were to buy parts and 3d print the rest at a friend?

SSup3rToc0!See I fly it a LOT, but I just got FFB and mount set up last night lol. HB state...

Number481•5/23/24, 3:55 PM

Other seasoned Rhino owners who fly it often could probably tell you more what to expect, but it doesn't look like the actual spring force is dynamic at all. It is always 40964096 (%100). What does change is the center although it is very minimal and doesn't seem to have much affect on the feeling when maneuvering. This is the same technique they are using on the F4 to simulate the bobweight, but it is much more pronounced (maybe a tad too sensitive around 1G IMHO on the F4).

Number481•5/23/24, 3:56 PM

NNumber481 AFAIK, the F14 does not model any dynamic forces? I don't really fly it (Im one...

MichalK•5/23/24, 7:50 PM

F14 doesn't have dynamic forces IRL. F4 control system is quite unusual, at least among other jets in DCS.

MichalK•5/23/24, 7:50 PM

The Harrier would also be like that if Razbam implemented Q-feel, but they didn't.

MMichalK F14 doesn't have dynamic forces IRL. F4 control system is quite unusual, at leas...

Sup3rToc0!•5/23/24, 7:53 PM

Isn’t the stick force based on the amount of Gs being pulled?

Sup3rToc0!•5/23/24, 7:54 PM

From a bobweight. I’m not sure if that’s modeled though

MichalK•5/23/24, 8:00 PM

Bobweights are a different thing, and not simulated in dcs until f4.

MichalK•5/23/24, 8:06 PM

Tbh i don't think the effect of bobweights translates well to our 1g desktop sim environment. I mean in general. But you can add that effect through telemffb if you want.

Number481•5/23/24, 8:13 PM

I actually like the bobweight effect on the F-4.. it feels better to me than what we do in TelemFFB with the constant force "g effect". They are using the spring center offset to achieve the same effect. It is too sensitive around 1G though which gives a weird sensation of the stick forces changing with minimal control input. They need to add some non-linear component to the calculation or add some dampening to the calculation or something.

Sup3rToc0!•5/23/24, 8:15 PM

Cool, I haven’t set up telemffb yet. I know telem can be used to set up vibration and cool effects like that. Can it be used to add more spring tension dynamically? If not what are some good settings to use to get close to the RL F-14 stick?

AAndyHill gain and spring at 100%, damper 16%, periodic 60%, constant 100%

blave549•5/23/24, 10:24 PM

Don't those settings depend on what you have set in Configurator? E.g. I have Master Gain set to 50%; I haven't touched it in months. My understanding is that that, and all other settings in that app, are what TelemFFB can only further scale down (not up). So your numbers might not work for me if you have different Configurator settings than someone else.

SSup3rToc0!Aaah okok that clarifies things up. So that being said though, I have spring set...

CapnFlint•5/23/24, 11:09 PM

You should feel the trimmed/center position in the F14 with FFB is very forward of normal center.

CCapnFlint You should feel the trimmed/center position in the F14 with FFB is very forward...

Sup3rToc0!•5/24/24, 12:05 AM

Yea I noticed, why is that??

CapnFlint•5/24/24, 12:36 AM

It’s how the real center position is. If you look in the cockpit stick, you’ll see it that way

CapnFlint•5/24/24, 6:05 AM

I just spent some time really re-doingg my stick Balance Spring, and then set the F4 to 200/200 gain in-game and have a slight "Sticky" Damper and Inertia in the VPForce software, and it's was a lot smoother in freeflight than before. There's still some weirdness wobble in slight trim dives and I don't know if that's the F4 or me but overall a lot better for me.

Soy•5/24/24, 6:49 AM

I have a 24V 16.7A power supply from a 3d printer that i was throwing away would this be enough to power the 2 57blf03 motors or do i need something stronger?

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