Has anyone ever brake it like me?I have a 40cm extension and i broke it with the F4E

LLittlesack I have trouble understanding why the settings can seemingly go so far beyond the...

walmis•5/24/24, 6:51 AM

The problem is that we don't know the true maximums. The system can have different motors / drive ratios / weights and that contributes to different stability margins.

The sliders in the Settings tab set the per effect global limits
The basic effects in the Effects tab (such as Spring, Damper) create a on-device effect similarly how an FFB application would and adheres the limits set in the settings tab. Those effects (in Effects tab( are overriden when an FFB application takes over.

Dentedend10•5/24/24, 8:01 AM

Also, could someone provide some default settings for the config software? Coming from no FFB I don’t know how it should feel

DDentedend10 Also, could someone provide some default settings for the config software? Comin...

Touch_Of_Legend•5/24/24, 8:33 AM

The default is part of the set up but you’ll have to jump in a plane to see how it feels.

Try something snazzy like a warbird

Sslowmover Has anyone ever brake it like me?I have a 40cm extension and i broke it with the...

Touch_Of_Legend•5/24/24, 8:41 AM

Think of an extension like force multiplier.

On one end it lowers the force we receive from the motor by moving the center out.

On the other end (our end) think of it like a lever, or more like a pry bar or what’s commonly called a breaker bar for taking apart BIG stuff.

The more distance you have the greater force you can exert (and by resisting it as well).

Sort of like trying to take off your tire with a short socket wrench takes a lot more force than it does with the long lug nut break bar.

Same idea but backwards so.. yep an extension allows you to push harder with the same physical force.

The other main culprit with ANY 3D print is flex and failure over time.

In other words sometimes S just happens but the beauty is you can just print another.

Facts are parts sometimes fail and that’s just part of the DIY game.

Thanks for sharing though because I’m ALWAYS interested in part failures and if they can be mitigated or if it’s just a wear and tear thing, print orientation thing, soooo many variables to consider so again thanks for sharing.

Happy re printing and Happy flying!

Hiob•5/24/24, 9:41 AM

Hi, is there a step-file of the gimbal-stick-connector? I can only find an .stl - thank you!

Sslowmover Has anyone ever brake it like me?I have a 40cm extension and i broke it with the...

Hiob•5/24/24, 9:43 AM

hi, I answered you in the DCS-forum as well. I think a 40cm extension is quite excessive for a 3D-printed gimbal. Leverage and so..... It seem to have broken along the layers. Have you printed it yourself? If so, try to print it in a different orientation (make the layers perpendicular). It may look less nice, but is stronger.

Hiob•5/24/24, 9:46 AM

ideally, I would print it, so that the layers are oriented on the roll axis, when the stick is assembled. That would give the greatest strength towards the pitch axis, where (assumingly) the greatest forces are applied.

Wwalmis The problem is that we don't know the true maximums. The system can have differe...

Number481•5/24/24, 10:54 AM

pin this please... it comes up at least once a week and is always explained differently by whomever responds

slowmoverOP•5/24/24, 11:22 AM

Thanks guyz i will make a smaller extension

slowmoverOP•5/24/24, 11:23 AM

remember me something. when i calibrate it center what value should be?

Sslowmover remember me something. when i calibrate it center what value should be?

Number481•5/24/24, 11:30 AM

you want center somewhere around 2048, but what really matters is that the endstops are between 0 and 4096

Sslowmover Thanks guyz i will make a smaller extension

Hiob•5/24/24, 11:34 AM

Your gains seem excessive. Can you show your corresponding effects page?

Wwalmis The problem is that we don't know the true maximums. The system can have differe...

Hiob•5/24/24, 11:37 AM

maybe pin this answer - It is valuable explanation. I got it completely backwards (which gives probably the same result, but still - this is helpful in understanding the software)! TY

HHiob Your gains seem excessive. Can you show your corresponding effects page?

slowmoverOP•5/24/24, 11:39 AM

i use recalibrate it

Hiob•5/24/24, 11:42 AM

As I undertstand it, the effects-gains and settings-gains are multiplied with each other (and then multiplied by master gain) - so in effect it probably doesn't matter on which side you adjust them, as long as the product isn't too high. @walmis , please correct me if I got it wrong.

slowmoverOP•5/24/24, 11:47 AM

now i think i am okay

slowmoverOP•5/24/24, 11:48 AM

slowmoverOP•5/24/24, 11:48 AM

is there anyting you suggest me to change here?

HHiob As I undertstand it, the effects-gains and settings-gains are multiplied with ea...

walmis•5/24/24, 12:00 PM

It does matter - Settings in the "Effects" tab are overridden by application, and have no effect when the application drives the Spring for example. So in order to tune down the strength of the effects you need to set via the sliders in the settings tab.
An example: Let's say an application creates and sets a Friction effect to max : 4096 (100%) and you have no control over the application. In this case you set the Friction slider to an acceptable value, for example 30%.

Wwalmis It does matter - Settings in the "Effects" tab are overridden by application, an...

Hiob•5/24/24, 12:24 PM

Ok - understood. Than my conclusion would be, it is better (safer) to put the effects settings to 100% and control the overall strength with the settings page? (And or master-gain)

TTouch_Of_Legend The default is part of the set up but you’ll have to jump in a plane to see how ...

Dentedend10•5/24/24, 2:11 PM

Unfortunately when I hit reset, as the motors weren’t responding, all the settings were reset to a ‘conservative’ setting. I could not find an image of the default settings after that, and anytime I restarted the software the new settings were showing, which were all 0

DDentedend10 Unfortunately when I hit reset, as the motors weren’t responding, all the settin...

walmis•5/24/24, 2:17 PM

There is a default Rhino config in the configs/RHINO-defaults.vpconfconfigs/RHINO-defaults.vpconf,
click import then store config. Also make sure to to run auto calibration after, since your calibration was reset too probably.

Wwalmis There is a default Rhino config in the `configs/RHINO-defaults.vpconf`, click i...

Dentedend10•5/24/24, 2:21 PM

Thank you!!

Dentedend10•5/24/24, 2:22 PM

And do you have any solution for the F14 stick problem? If not then I’ll need to get another adapter. In the end I was able to hammer it down but there is no way it will come off now

DDentedend10 And do you have any solution for the F14 stick problem? If not then I’ll need to...

walmis•5/24/24, 2:47 PM

Hmm, is it the shaft itself or the small pin that's the issue?

Littlesack•5/24/24, 4:10 PM

How can I fix this behavior? This is in dcs with the apache. I hold trim release and move the stick, but the center does not remain where the stick is physically and when I release the trim button the stick moves back to a different "center" than where it should be

LLittlesack How can I fix this behavior? This is in dcs with the apache. I hold trim release...

Number481•5/24/24, 4:12 PM

get rid of your axis curves in DCS

Littlesack•5/24/24, 4:13 PM

Thanks, forgot I had put any in

Number481•5/24/24, 4:22 PM

everyone does

Wwalmis Hmm, is it the shaft itself or the small pin that's the issue?

Dentedend10•5/24/24, 6:26 PM

The shaft itself. Even on the vkb extension there is a little bit of resistance compared to the gunfighter, but it feels like rubbery resistance and goes down fairly easy. But on the VPFORCE extension grip it takes more force than I can put on it. Only way was with a hammer

Fresh_Mint•5/25/24, 3:02 PM

Is it normal? I use spring gain 20% with Max current 30A. So when full draw, axis current should show ~6A. But full aft shows 6.6~6.7A whereas full fwd, left and right shows ~6A

FFresh_Mint Is it normal? I use spring gain 20% with Max current 30A. So when full draw, axi...

walmis•5/25/24, 3:28 PM

Yeah, that's normal. Anticogging takes some current

Fresh_Mint•5/25/24, 3:37 PM

Oh I see thanks!

A. Palmetto•5/25/24, 6:23 PM

trying to open telemffb

AA. Palmetto trying to open telemffb

Number481•5/25/24, 6:48 PM

Generally caused by one of two things.

1: Windows Defender or other AV ate some files due to false positive malware detection
2: You accidentally copied the exe out of the folder rather than creating a shortcut

Wwalmis Yeah, that's normal. Anticogging takes some current

Hiob•5/25/24, 7:18 PM

Speaking of currents, I have a question about the motors: If I noticed correctly the fan activates when either motor (usually the pitch) reaches 50 C and turns of when under 45 C give or take, but I wonder what would be the critical temperature for the motors before they take damage? I can’t find any specs about it. 60, 70, 80 C…. when will they take damage?
I’m asking, 1. out of curiosity and 2. because I will use the same motor and pcb in my pedals-mod, but without a cooler. I assume it will work out, but who knows….. (btw. when will the current limiter set in?)

walmis•5/25/24, 7:20 PM

I guess the limiting factor would be the motor's magnet curie temperature, at which they start to demagnetize, which is unknown. But anyhow the motors are thermally limited, similarly how GPUs self limit to maintain a stable max temp.

NNumber481 Generally caused by one of two things. - 1: Windows Defender or other AV at...

A. Palmetto•5/25/24, 7:38 PM

I redownloaded via the link in telem ffb rather than GitHub then updated and it worked.

lol I was trying to run inside the folder but it works now

sabreman•5/25/24, 11:48 PM

hey so my red power interrupt button came loose and now spins freely

sabreman•5/25/24, 11:48 PM

how can i tighten it down? do i need to rip the wheels off to pull the top cover?

sabreman•5/26/24, 12:41 AM

I ended up doing just that. Is there a way to pull the red part off the button? I tignened it down, but idk if it'll hold long term

Ssabreman I ended up doing just that. Is there a way to pull the red part off the button? ...

Number481•5/26/24, 12:48 AM

For future ,you should be able to get to the nut with a pair of needle nose pliers just by removing the front panel.

Vassilli•5/26/24, 1:42 AM

So, soon to get my order thingy. Im in the processing stage, has anyone used the base with a thrustmaster warthog OG grip? I'm worried about the metal thing breaking. What sticks are you guys using? Sorry if its the wrong channel

NNumber481 For future ,you should be able to get to the nut with a pair of needle nose plie...

sabreman•5/26/24, 2:31 AM

God that would have been way smarter. i had to pull both big wheels off and everything going throgh the top lol

sabreman•5/26/24, 2:31 AM

ill keep that in mind next time it gets loose

Fresh_Mint•5/26/24, 4:09 AM

I think anticogging for y axis is not working perfectly. I could feel minute bump at a center of y axis movement(x axis is perfectly smooth). Can it be caused by a belt is too tight?

Fresh_Mint•5/26/24, 4:11 AM

Or just defect of motor?

Fresh_Mint•5/26/24, 4:20 AM

When the power turned off, I can feel much stronger cogging than x axis's

FFresh_Mint I think anticogging for y axis is not working perfectly. I could feel minute bum...

LeLv30_Superbus•5/26/24, 6:17 AM

FWIW I had a similar situation which was solved by removing 20 cm extension + VKB adapter and installing a 10 cm extension. Never found out which one caused it. The bump/noise was also only in Y axis like in your case. Could be something completely different though and idk whether you are even using an extension or adapter.

FFresh_Mint When the power turned off, I can feel much stronger cogging than x axis's

walmis•5/26/24, 6:28 AM

Yeah, when the belt is too tight it will introduce some cogging-like feel. You can verify however how the small pulley spins with the belt removed.

Has anyone ever brake it like me?I have a 40cm extension and i broke it with the F4E

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