@Number481 Did you recently install SimHaptic by chance? I’m about to for my new Dayton base shaker

@Number481 Did you recently install SimHaptic by chance?

I’m about to for my new Dayton base shakers, is there something I should watch out for?

TTrigaNZ @Number481 Did you recently install SimHaptic by chance? I’m about to for my ne...

Number481•6/22/24, 1:52 AM

Their first version with DCS support caused problems with many other apps (including TelemFFB) exporting data. Their latest version fixes it.

PPickles My roll axis is grainy/sticky. It feels like there are tiny detents in the motor...

Hiob•6/22/24, 5:08 PM

Make sure, that the gears and belts don’t rub against something. E.g. your seat. You would waste hours of trouble shooting without a result….. ask me how I know….

Bozo VFA-86•6/22/24, 7:16 PM

I tried to run Simracingstudio to run my wind fans but it immediatly causes my rhino to go limp

Col. Sanders•6/22/24, 7:26 PM

Sounds like it's stealing the telemetry and not sharing. I have found Telemffb is good at sharing. Other programs not so much.

Bozo VFA-86•6/22/24, 9:00 PM

Thankyou colonel, I found that you can set simracingstudio to forward telemetry and I found the necessary info in the vpconfig documentation and now it works. I have streamdeck set to open the canopy and turn on the fans with one button press and to close the canopy and turn off the fans with a other button., so after I land after a sweaty mig killing session I can open the canopy for a cool breeze.

Col. Sanders•6/22/24, 9:01 PM

Sounds like a good set up. Glad you were able to resolve

amadeus•6/23/24, 1:35 AM

I'm still having this problem and wondering if there's any chance of a fix soon? I believe it's probably software related, but when strong spring forces are applied, my pitch axis is not smooth on pullbpack, there's a spot where it's like the resistance changes a bit. I have no force compensation, i've tried playing around with different motor and psu currents, but it really doesn't seem to make a difference, maybe there's some other settings I am missing? but i often find this affect really distracting when flying with stronger spring forces

FFlatSpin dm walmis

Reaktionslos•6/23/24, 2:20 PM

I tried again but I'm not able to send a dm to him due to his privacy settings. @walmis can you please tell me how I'm able to cancel my pre-order? Thanks

RReaktionslos I tried again but I'm not able to send a dm to him due to his privacy settings. ...

walmis•6/23/24, 2:23 PM

Done, thanks. It's possible to cancel the preorder once you receive the purchase invite email too.

Reaktionslos•6/23/24, 2:23 PM

Thanks

Aamadeus I'm still having this problem and wondering if there's any chance of a fix soon?...

Hiob•6/23/24, 6:23 PM

Have you made sure that the pulley is firmly connected to the motor axis?

HHiob Have you made sure that the pulley is firmly connected to the motor axis?

amadeus•6/23/24, 6:35 PM

yeah, i'm 99% sure it's a software thing around how it blends the forces when it hits the max level, it doesn't so much feel like something is popping out or skipping, but moreso like the resistance force changes

amadeus•6/23/24, 6:50 PM

here's a video that shows things a bit better, it does appear to reduce the effect a bit if i reduce max motor current, but doesn't completely get rid of it. another interesting thing i notice in the vpforce ui, is the pink arrow seems to jitter around where that point is that i feel the effect

Number481•6/23/24, 6:54 PM

Your Ibus is maxing out at "max PSU current". I think if you increase that to 8 or 9 you will notice the flat spot in the force later into the pull.. However, I dont know what the safe max for that value is so I'd clear it with walmis first

amadeus•6/23/24, 6:57 PM

yeah -- i feel like it's probably something related to how those different fields work together

amadeus•6/23/24, 6:58 PM

can anyone else repro this with spring up to 100% and a pull like that?

amadeus•6/23/24, 6:58 PM

or is this something unique to my setup

Number481•6/23/24, 7:03 PM

Yes. At 30/7 (motor/psu) I feel the force max out around %80-90 of travel and you can see the red force arrow fluctuating as it is bouncing off one or both of those values.

amadeus•6/23/24, 7:04 PM

do you run at those values yourself? or did you just change to repro? also thanks for testing!

Number481•6/23/24, 7:12 PM

My normal profile is 28/9 (my psu is rated for 9.5A so I guess thats OK

). I guess I do still feel a bit of a flattening at the extremes, but its actually hitting against

curr_y

curr_y

which seems to map to the motor current@ 28A

amadeus•6/23/24, 7:13 PM

are you running a custom PSU? or just the one that shipped with the rhino?

Number481•6/23/24, 7:15 PM

the one it shipped with (19v 9.5A). My pedals PSU is 24V 10A.. wonder if it would feel any different with that PSU vs the standard one? How that all calculates out is beyond my electrical knowledge

amadeus•6/23/24, 7:17 PM

ok yeah, i have the same power supply as you

amadeus•6/23/24, 7:18 PM

interesting you've been running quite higher values for PSU current

Number481•6/23/24, 7:29 PM

I guess I've always felt the force flatten out at the extremities with high gain, but I guess its just never bothered me. With the type of flying I normally do, I almost never reach full excursion of the controls.

i can't seem to completely get rid of it. At PSU=9... with Motor=29, it hits the motor max first, with Motor=30, it hits PSU max.. maybe if there was more granularity to the motor current value you could tune it so they peak at the same time...

Speculation is fun when the smart guy (walmis) is sleeping

amadeus•6/23/24, 7:31 PM

haha -- so yeah, when flying helicopters and stuff, i never notice it because to your point, never at full limits with full spring force. I do notice it in the F14 a bunch because they do something where the spring forces are stronger than the default ones we have in configurator, so i def notice it a lot more there

amadeus•6/23/24, 7:34 PM

and also in WW2 stuff, where you can often get into one or two circle fights

Number481•6/23/24, 7:54 PM

30/9 feels pretty good to me. Not perfect, but better... but I don't know if I'm playing with fire

(literally). Dropping the gain down to even %95 though seems to remove the flat spot completely and I honestly can't feel a difference in the max force applied.. just that its reached smoothly at full deflection instead of right before it.

amadeus•6/23/24, 7:57 PM

yeah -- i did try messing with the max gain a bit, which did seem to help a bit, but yeah, hopefully there's some sort of firmware cleverness there that can negate any need for stuff like this (since i think ultimately in game forces can end up applying differently and still cause the issues -- i.e. the F14)

Number481•6/23/24, 8:00 PM

If you set the slider at %95. No game can ever exceed %95, it would be "commanded gain" * "slider gain".

Number481•6/23/24, 8:01 PM

with no game running, its basically "effects tab spring %" * "slider gain"

NNumber481 If you set the slider at %95. No game can ever exceed %95, it would be "command...

amadeus•6/23/24, 8:02 PM

Oh I see what you’re saying

amadeus•6/23/24, 8:02 PM

I was tinkering with gain a bit earlier to try to solve that

amadeus•6/23/24, 8:05 PM

Very much appreciate you going down this rabbit hole with me though! Hopefully walmis has some more context/thoughts here when he’s back

NNumber481 I guess I've always felt the force flatten out at the extremities with high gain...

Hiob•6/23/24, 8:46 PM

I think the main problem here is that the gains are just too high. Reduce the spring gain by 5 or so and don’t hit the maximums anymore….. (or use a bigger PSU

)

Oneill•6/23/24, 10:00 PM

Anyone in south wales who knows how to set up my system?

Soy•6/24/24, 5:37 AM

when i plug in my motors to the power and usb there is a greenish yellow light and it ocassionally flashes red they seem to be working but is this a problem

walmis•6/24/24, 6:02 AM

It flashes red when there's an operational fault, fault code is displayed in the bottom of the configurator app. Motor(s) needs to be reset to clear the fault from the "Debug" tab or a power reset.

Aamadeus Very much appreciate you going down this rabbit hole with me though! Hopefully w...

walmis•6/24/24, 6:08 AM

Force saturation is perfectly normal, for example we will soon have the ability to have very stiff centering (spring at >100%) at the cost of force saturation when outside the motor operating envelope.
In theory you can set the PSU limit to the rated PSU current, but if the PSU shutdowns during rapid movements decrease it a bit

Wwalmis Force saturation is perfectly normal, for example we will soon have the ability ...

amadeus•6/24/24, 6:26 AM

not sure i totally follow with regard too force saturation -- is that what you're saying happens when i feel that change towards the edge of the movement limits?

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(41F) RAFAIR Dave H•6/24/24, 6:38 AM

@Oneill what help do you need I’m not anywhere near wales as in scotland and just built my own rhino the setup is relatively easy if you follow the manual to the letter

Oneill•6/24/24, 7:03 AM

I’m completely hopeless with anything to do PC wise.
I’ve got the best set up I could afford and I can’t seem to get it right, I’ve set the stick up but there’s no feedback plus when I turn or put any input in, it just stays on that input until it crashes.
I’ve spent about 12 k on so far

.
Just need someone to sort it for me, I was hoping it was plug and play.
I don’t have any use for a PC other than this sim, all my stuff for work is on tablets or my diagnostic stuff.

OOneill I’m completely hopeless with anything to do PC wise. I’ve got the best set up I ...

walmis•6/24/24, 7:12 AM

Which sim you need setting up? I probably could help you via remote desktop.

Oneill•6/24/24, 7:17 AM

Msfs 2020.
I’ve got it running but the display is terrible and I can’t get the stick settings right.
It’s a AMD Ryzen 9
7900X Processor

NVIDIA GeForce
RTX 4090
Graphics
32GB DDR5
RAM, 2TB SSD (M.2
NVMe)
240mm AIO
Liquid Cooler, 2x
200mm
ARGB Fans.
I did have a friend to set it up but he’s not been on for a while.
If you could just get the stick working for me I’ll pay for your time.

walmis•6/24/24, 7:18 AM

WDYM the display is terrible?

walmis•6/24/24, 7:19 AM

You mean graphics settings?

Oneill•6/24/24, 9:19 AM

Yes, the display on the vr is blurry, I’ve tried different settings.
That’s not the problem, setting up the stick I bought from you is.
Like I said I’m useless with PC’s,
I’m a mechanic so I’ve never really used them.

Old Prospector•6/24/24, 11:01 AM

Which VR? Reverb G2 us pretty blurry.

Oneill•6/24/24, 12:14 PM

It’s a PICO 4, used to be fine but after the pc did an update for msfs 2020 it’s all gone to shit, can’t see the runway lines until you are almost on top of it.

OOneill Msfs 2020. I’ve got it running but the display is terrible and I can’t get the s...

PiNKSH!T•6/24/24, 12:44 PM

Hey m8 what do you need help with re setting up the Rhino?

@Number481 Did you recently install SimHaptic by chance? I’m about to for my new Dayton base shaker

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