@walmis Hey Walmis, I found a bug in telemffb. If you invert your aileron axis. In the configurator.

@walmis Hey Walmis, I found a bug in telemffb. If you invert your aileron axis. In the configurator. The lateral force will be in the wrong direction. I changed the sign in the aircrafts_msfs_xp.py (side_accel = -telem_data["AccBody"][0] * self.lateral_force_gain). Now it works for me. But an invert button like the deaceleration force would be nice.

Moe1875OP•6/27/24, 4:33 AM

regards Moe

MMoe1875 @walmis Hey Walmis, I found a bug in telemffb. If you invert your aileron axis. ...

walmis•6/27/24, 4:58 AM

You shouldn't invert in the configurator, unless the center dot does not correspond to actual stick movement.

Wwalmis You shouldn't invert in the configurator, unless the center dot does not corresp...

Moe1875OP•6/27/24, 11:16 AM

thats why I inverted the axis. the center point is movin in the opposite direction than the one I move the stick.

MMoe1875 @walmis Hey Walmis, I found a bug in telemffb. If you invert your aileron axis. ...

walmis•6/27/24, 11:21 AM

So assuming the axis moves in the correct direction in the configurator, to verify the effect : the lateral force in telemffb should add some force in the direction of the pull i.e. if you roll left wing down, and hold the plane level using rudder the stick should feel a little pull to the left due to gravity.

Wwalmis So assuming the axis moves in the correct direction in the configurator, to veri...

Moe1875OP•6/27/24, 11:48 AM

ok I can verify the effect. I assumed I had to feel the stick move to the rigth if I turn left on the ground. But this is wrong?

MMoe1875 ok I can verify the effect. I assumed I had to feel the stick move to the rigth ...

Hiob•6/27/24, 1:11 PM

Just to clarify: You don't have any axis inverted in DCS? When you have (properly) set the axis in the VP configurator, the axis in DCS should not need inverting.

Will3D•6/27/24, 8:44 PM

@walmis Hi Walmis. What's the chances of getting an auto calibration routine when a device is powered up ? I know almost all joysticks motion probably fall within the one motor rotation so the system knows where centre is. But for some non joystick designs ( like yokes) it is harder to do.

Will3D•6/27/24, 8:44 PM

I'm also working on a pedal design that would also fall into this category. The idea of having to calibrate before every use isn't ideal.

Rechs•6/28/24, 2:50 AM

!status

RRechs !status

VPforceBot•6/28/24, 2:50 AM

Hey @Rechs,
So the last Shipped RHINO is #0602 on 2024-06-27
Average waiting time from preorder to shipped is 208 days, median is 209 days, max is 437 days
587 Rhinos are shipped in total

HHiob Just to clarify: You don't have any axis inverted in DCS? When you have (properl...

Moe1875OP•6/28/24, 4:25 AM

Hey Hiob, I use MSFS not DCS. but yes everithing is set properly in the VP configurator

Moe1875OP•6/28/24, 4:26 AM

regards moritz

WWill3D @walmis Hi Walmis. What's the chances of getting an auto calibration routine whe...

walmis•6/28/24, 4:26 AM

Hey, I'll research this, but in the meantime you can do something like this:
Let's say you're building a yoke and when powering it you need it to startup in the correct calibration. Now, let's say the simplest the position to startup is the fully forward one (for a stick it would be centered).
Then what you would do is to push it fully forward, reset the motors and check what the "raw" angle is. Adjust the belt/pulley so it's roughly 2000(+-500).
Next do the full auto calibration and store it.
After that, before powering on, move the yoke fully forward and it should start in the correct calibration every time.

Wwalmis Hey, I'll research this, but in the meantime you can do something like this: Let...

Will3D•6/28/24, 5:08 AM

Thanks walmis, I think I understand. But would this process be dependent on being only one rotation out of the middle rotation ? What if there were 4 rotations from one axis end to the other ?

smitty•6/28/24, 5:18 AM

Ah, 4 rotations shouldn’t matter. Because the full forward calibration point will be between 0-4096 and it’ll be happy at startup. Full back will be ~18000 or something.

MMoe1875 Hey Hiob, I use MSFS not DCS. but yes everithing is set properly in the VP confi...

Hiob•6/28/24, 5:56 AM

Ah, ok. Sorry, missed that. I have no idea about MSFS,,,,

Wwalmis Hey, I'll research this, but in the meantime you can do something like this: Let...

Arno•6/28/24, 6:31 AM

Would it maybe also be possible if the stick calibrates to 3800 full left to 3700 full right that the controller will remember that 3900 is actually a left defection, left of 0? So that exact centering of the physical motor doesn't matter as long is there is no ambiguity in position (because <360 degrees rotation overall)?

Arno•6/28/24, 6:33 AM

I guess how this would work out is calibrating to find the middle and then the max deflections from the middle.

SamNFTY•6/28/24, 12:56 PM

Anyone know how to get this message to stop appearing everytime I plug in my Rhino?

slowmover•6/28/24, 4:11 PM

Many of us have this problem

amadeus•6/28/24, 4:13 PM

There’s a setting in Edge to suppress this, however despite setting this, it does still happen unfortunately. The chrome version of this setting seems to work though, just an edge bug I believe (also, AFK so can’t check the exact setting, but people have posted about it in this server before)

Aamadeus There’s a setting in Edge to suppress this, however despite setting this, it doe...

SamNFTY•6/28/24, 4:34 PM

I hate Edge just a little more now

SamNFTY•6/28/24, 4:34 PM

I used to be about to disable Internet Explorer.....

Icebeat•6/28/24, 6:59 PM

Hi guys, I am using ALPS RKJXT1 on my new DIY grip and it has a problem, pushing in one of the 4 directions the center push button is also pressed do you know if there is any way to isolate or filter it using VPForce software?

Epyon•6/28/24, 8:42 PM

Hi all, telemffb is still not working for me. dcs log shows this error. can someone help me?

Epyon•6/28/24, 8:43 PM

relevant log

message.txt49.5KB

Naoki_NT3•6/29/24, 5:20 AM

I newly received Rhino and have problems. Window's USB controller setting detect Joystick, but Condor sim does not recognize any axis. In addition, Rhino FFB WebUSB Tool does not recognize my Virpil T50CM2's hat switch. How can I solve it?

NNaoki_NT3 I newly received Rhino and have problems. Window's USB controller setting detect...

walmis•6/29/24, 5:21 AM

Download the desktop configurator software, the web based one is just for a quick reference

Naoki_NT3•6/29/24, 5:23 AM

I also use desktop configurator but the results are the same.

walmis•6/29/24, 5:25 AM

does the axis move in the configurator?
Once you select the T50CM2 grip profile, the hat switch should "just work", do other buttons work?

EEpyon relevant log

walmis•6/29/24, 5:35 AM

Looks like it's missing an engine

Which AC is this, I presume the Hind?

Wwalmis does the axis move in the configurator? Once you select the T50CM2 grip profile,...

Naoki_NT3•6/29/24, 5:38 AM

Yes, the asix moves in the configurator and functions are working and I can apply those setting to the base. VPC's hat switch is just working as 4 bottuns.

walmis•6/29/24, 5:42 AM

Hmm, maybe it's an older revision of the T50 grip, which buttons light up for the hats?
Make sure the grip is selected and the hats should appear as indicated in the pic.

Naoki_NT3•6/29/24, 5:47 AM

Well, you may be right. My grip is a little old. I don't see that red arrow. Is it possible to edit a grip profile?

walmis•6/29/24, 5:53 AM

Could you select "Generic Grip (debug)" and copy a few lines of scrolling text from the Debug tab ?

Wwalmis Could you select "Generic Grip (debug)" and copy a few lines of scrolling text f...

Naoki_NT3•6/29/24, 6:00 AM

Here you are[14:51:24.900] * USB Connected
[14:51:44.857] Config received
[14:51:56.436] Config received
[14:52:02.523] Config received
[14:52:02.523] FF FF FF 54 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:02.724] FF FF FF 53 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:02.925] FF FF FF 54 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:03.126] FF FF FF 53 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:03.328] FF FF FF 53 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:03.529] FF FF FF 53 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:03.730] FF FF FF 54 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:03.931] FF FF FF 53 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:04.132] FF FB FF 54 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:04.334] FF FC FF 53 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:04.535] FF FE FF 54 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:04.736] FF FB FF 54 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:04.937] FF FC FF 53 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:05.138] FF FE FF 54 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:05.340] FF FF FF 54 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:05.540] FF FF FF 53 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:05.742] FF FF FF 53 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:05.942] FF FF FF 53 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:06.147] FF FF FF 54 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:06.346] FF FF FF 54 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:06.551] FF FF FF 54 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41

Naoki_NT3•6/29/24, 6:01 AM

Not that one. Here
[14:51:24.900] * USB Connected
[14:51:44.857] Config received
[14:51:56.436] Config received
[14:52:02.523] Config received
[14:52:02.523] FF FF FF 54 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:02.724] FF FF FF 53 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:02.925] FF FF FF 54 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:03.126] FF FF FF 53 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:03.328] FF FF FF 53 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:03.529] FF FF FF 53 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:03.730] FF FF FF 54 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:03.931] FF FF FF 53 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:04.132] FF FB FF 54 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:04.334] FF FC FF 53 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:04.535] FF FE FF 54 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:04.736] FF FB FF 54 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:04.937] FF FC FF 53 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:05.138] FF FE FF 54 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:05.340] FF FF FF 54 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:05.540] FF FF FF 53 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:05.742] FF FF FF 53 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:05.942] FF FF FF 53 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:06.147] FF FF FF 54 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:06.346] FF FF FF 54 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:06.551] FF FF FF 54 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:06.754] FF FF FF 53 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:06.949] FF FF FF 54 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:07.155] FF FF FF 54 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:07.351] FF FF FF 53 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:07.553] FF FF FF 53 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:07.754] FF FF FF 53 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41

walmis•6/29/24, 6:01 AM

Oh yeah, it's definitely the older one

Naoki_NT3•6/29/24, 6:03 AM

That means mine is not supported?

walmis•6/29/24, 6:03 AM

Can you try the VPC WarBrd profile?

Naoki_NT3•6/29/24, 6:07 AM

No, it won't work. Only T50-CM2 accepts the brake axis, but no hat switch.

walmis•6/29/24, 6:12 AM

Yeah, I'll need to add the hats for the firmware update. It's kinda strange it doesn't register them.
Could confirm which hats register correctly, which don't:

Naoki_NT3•6/29/24, 6:19 AM

8-way+push supposed to be a hat switch. But other 4-way switch can be set as hat switches because there are "hat as button" settings. anyway mine is as follows

Naoki_NT3•6/29/24, 6:20 AM

Sam bottun is just a push bottun, not a 4 way switch

walmis•6/29/24, 6:25 AM

I'll kindly ask to fill out the buttons that correspond to hats,
You can fill directly into this google sheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jyj5VUKgx8KYb_0rTCk0_NimaHjZFaoxHQcyMFH52UI/edit?usp=sharing

select "Generic Grip" before filling it out, thanks

Naoki_NT3•6/29/24, 6:35 AM

I filled the table. There are no center push function.

TrigaNZ•6/29/24, 6:36 AM

Hi Walmis, do you have a record of all the correct buttons for the Virpil Hawk-60 collective grip for the upcoming (soon) update? The problem at the moment is that the centre push lights up with any left right fwd back button push. Cheers.

TTrigaNZ Hi Walmis, do you have a record of all the correct buttons for the Virpil Hawk-6...

walmis•6/29/24, 8:23 AM

Yes I do, should be all good

IIcebeat Hi guys, I am using ALPS RKJXT1 on my new DIY grip and it has a problem, pushing...

walmis•6/29/24, 8:29 AM

You can wire the hat onto these buttons(bits):
left = 13, right = 15, up = 16, down = 14, push= 26

and with a VPC T50 profile it should work as Hat1

Wwalmis Yeah, I'll need to add the hats for the firmware update. It's kinda strange it d...

Touch_Of_Legend•6/29/24, 10:09 AM

That diagram is for the newer T50CM2?

The original T50CM has a single push button on the thumb and a 4 way hat where the 8 way is.

Also I need to check and see if they are push to click (so 4 way with click).

I can try to find the Virpil page that shows it but there are some small differences between the old version and the newer one with all the 8 way hats and the 4 way on the thumb.

You can tell his is the older (but not the oldest) version because he has the Gray palm rest and button hats.

The next newer version was called a black out and had all the exact same features but has Black hats for the switches and a Black palm rest.

After that they made the newest version which is the photo you shared (has the 8 way and has a 4 way which replaced the single thumb button).

You can see it from comparing his stick with your photo.

I have that T50 so I have the links for the original stick layout… somewhere

@walmis Hey Walmis, I found a bug in telemffb. If you invert your aileron axis. In the configurator.

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