this an alternative https://www.printables.com/de/model/841190-vpforce-rhino-diy-force-feedback-ffb-

this an alternative https://www.printables.com/de/model/841190-vpforce-rhino-diy-force-feedback-ffb-flight-stick

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VPforce Rhino DIY Force Feedback (FFB) Flight Stick Base von mrusk ...

A DIY design for the VPforce Force Feedback Control System similar to the famous Rhino Flightstick | Kostenlose 3D-druckbare STL-Modelle herunterladen

HiobOP•7/6/24, 6:57 AM

I haven’t personally tried it though

HHiob this an alternative https://www.printables.com/de/model/841190-vpforce-rhino-diy...

PokePoke•7/6/24, 6:57 AM

Thanks mate, sorry but I cannot find parts list

HiobOP•7/6/24, 6:57 AM

The creator is here in the discord @mrusk

PokePoke•7/6/24, 6:57 AM

Yes I will look into it and choose

HiobOP•7/6/24, 6:57 AM

https://github.com/protomaker964/Rhino-FFB-Clone-3D_Printed/blob/main/Assembly%20Reference12.pdf

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Rhino-FFB-Clone-3D_Printed/Assembly Reference12.pdf at main · proto...

3D print files, parts list and instructions to build a DIY version of the Rhino FFB Stick base using the VPForce motor kit - protomaker964/Rhino-FFB-Clone-3D_Printed

PPokePoke Thanks mate, sorry but I cannot find parts list 😦

HiobOP•7/6/24, 6:59 AM

DDaz_bike The last update a few weeks ago from @walmis was that he intends to sell the MFG...

Red Magic•7/6/24, 7:25 AM

pics of a completed kit cam out as early as December. Word was waiting on motors to be available in April or May. And since then it seems like mostly radio silence

Hazzer111•7/6/24, 9:28 AM

Apologies if this has already been asked. But is there any intention to produce a VPforce yoke.. Unfortunately I lack the time and skills to build something like that myself. Obviously there is the cls yoke, however I very much enjoy VPforce and telem FFB so ideally would like to keep everything VPforce!

PPokePoke Thanks mate, sorry but I cannot find parts list 😦

mrusk•7/6/24, 2:58 PM

Parts list is in the description on printables.

Mmrusk Parts list is in the description on printables.

PokePoke•7/6/24, 4:10 PM

Thanks a lot!

DDracks Hello friend, I don't have this system but you'll find some pictures of my insta...

PlaguedRoo•7/6/24, 5:39 PM

Is this using the monster tech plate or a stock vpforce mounting plate?

PPlaguedRoo Is this using the monster tech plate or a stock vpforce mounting plate?

Dracks•7/6/24, 5:50 PM

The Monstertech plate

Dracks•7/6/24, 5:51 PM

Option when ordering (center mounting)

amadeus•7/6/24, 7:15 PM

so i may have figured out a way to stop that little Microsoft Edge USB popup from showing up every time you connect the rhino, it's very much a fix that

you do at your own risk

you do at your own risk

, but the basic idea is you can use this windows registry update to disable all OS widget features. It's unclear what other side effects this may have on the system, but from my perspective, i only use my PC for games and discord, so shouldn't really be an issue for me

Disable_widgets_feature_for_all_users.reg906B

LLimitless VR & Simrigs Crew....thank you so much, I have posted this on the YouTube channel to help thi...

Sudeebare•7/6/24, 8:33 PM

When are you going to actually review the Rhino?

chkmgnt59•7/6/24, 8:37 PM

kinda stupid question, but for those who add/remove the rhino from their rig... how do you pick it up? is it safe to lift it by the stick?

AndyHill•7/6/24, 8:46 PM

I don't really know, but personally I would avoid it, the gimbal isn't naturally supposed to take much load in that direction and the Rhino is heavy

DDracks Option when ordering (center mounting)

PlaguedRoo•7/6/24, 9:51 PM

Oh wow VPForce has the MT plate available when ordering? I figured I'd have to do a separate MT order.

PPlaguedRoo Oh wow VPForce has the MT plate available when ordering? I figured I'd have to d...

Dracks•7/6/24, 10:15 PM

you can buy the same pattern on the VPforce website OR the plate on MT. Like you want^^

BSS_Shadow_73•7/6/24, 11:14 PM

Received my Rhino a couple of days ago. I'm blown away! Game changer!

WhiteHawk77•7/7/24, 12:23 AM

So, what’s the latest news on the Rhino with more powerful motors? Is there any news or is it just: it’ll happen at some point?

AAndyHill I don't really know, but personally I would avoid it, the gimbal isn't naturally...

HazardRisk•7/7/24, 1:16 AM

Don’t pull from Stick… too much force for Gimbal. Just pick up from the walls

AV8•7/7/24, 10:22 AM

I have just learned about VPforce feedback controls today. Is it possible to use the VP base with MSFS in the Fenix Airbus with a replica airbus sidestick?

AAV8 I have just learned about VPforce feedback controls today. Is it possible to use...

Dracks•7/7/24, 11:45 AM

I'll let Walmis and the others give you a precise answer, but the VPforce base + a suitable (compatible) stick works perfectly with MSFS and Fenix (I use a Virpil stick, for example).

AndyHill•7/7/24, 11:54 AM

I think the question is which replica sidestick are we talking about?

AAndyHill I think the question is which replica sidestick are we talking about?

AV8•7/7/24, 12:22 PM

The sidestick made by FlightSimProjects and I use it with the Thrustmaster magnetic base. So it already has the Thrustmaster adaptor on it. I believe I can request the VPforce base to be delivered with the Thrustmaster adaptor, though I am not 100% sure.

AndyHill•7/7/24, 12:28 PM

Rhino is out of the box compatible with TM

DDracks I'll let Walmis and the others give you a precise answer, but the VPforce base +...

AV8•7/7/24, 12:28 PM

I have never seen any video online of people using a force feedback (FFB) system with MSFS. Are you able to explain what it feels with / without FFB? I learnt to fly 20 years ago in Cessna 152 & 172's. When I use my Honeycomb Alpha and Bravo for setting trim, it is horrible, feels nothing like the real thing. As soon as I take off IRL I would hold the yoke and trim to climb, you get zero feedback with the Alpha & Bravo in MSFS. I stopped flying the Cessna's in MSFS because of the lack of feeling through the controls. They are still great controls, but the zero feedback is no fun for me at least. I have jumped into airliners and never looked back, I love the Fenix & FBW.

AndyHill•7/7/24, 12:29 PM

not a guarantee of compatibility with your stick though, but I suppose it's promising

AAndyHill not a guarantee of compatibility with your stick though, but I suppose it's prom...

AV8•7/7/24, 12:31 PM

That's good to know. Thank you. I'm not too worried about the sidestick itself, the airbus is pretty basic with regards to button / trigger functions. As long as it can be connected to the VPforce base which you have confirmed it will, so it's all good!

Bob Bushman•7/7/24, 12:49 PM

If it works worth a warthog base with an adaptor, no reason to think that adapter wouldn't work on the rhino.

AAV8 I have never seen any video online of people using a force feedback (FFB) system...

Dracks•7/7/24, 12:50 PM

Yes, I know what you mean. I'll explain how I feel. In very short and mega simplified

: The base produces vibrations that simulate real effects (vibration of engines, wheels on the ground, etc...) so when you play, the VPForce software reproduces the effects coming from the game. Basic example. You land an airplane, and well, the wheels will produce a force in the game that will be transmitted to your joystick. Basically, the landing sensation will be 100× more realistic than without FFB. As soon as you play 1x with FFB, you'll immediately understand these brief explanations. A helicopter VRS or a stall, well, you'll feel it. If you've ever flown a plane or a car (....), you'll get the feel of it!
In fact, I've stopped playing with my Honeycomb Alpha because 0 sensations and you feel more like shaking a stick than controlling a plane. Sorry for these light explanations, but we're really talking about improving in-game sensations.
For example, my base transmits the start-up of my H145 and my whole frame vibrates (slightly). So you add a VR headset and you almost feel like you're in the aircraft. I wouldn't go back for anything! It's just incredible!

Reed•7/7/24, 1:23 PM

The Kiowa has 8.8” total travel and the resistance is 1+-0.5 lbs. I’m going to print a 10 degree limiter to cut down my total travel. How do I ensure I’m marching the resistance? Is there a math formulae based on all the effects in the setting tab for example spring ?

DDracks Yes, I know what you mean. I'll explain how I feel. In very short and mega simpl...

SamNFTY•7/7/24, 1:29 PM

If you've ever flown a plane or a car

Inquiring minds want to know....

AAV8 I have never seen any video online of people using a force feedback (FFB) system...

Flo-Soft•7/7/24, 1:40 PM

If you are missing the trimming experience of a yoke I recommend taking a look at flitesim dot com and the youtube review of simhangar.

AndyHill•7/7/24, 2:08 PM

if you're measuring resistance in lb instead of Nm, it depends on the length of your stick

AndyHill•7/7/24, 2:08 PM

easiest way to determine that would be to just measure what you get

FFlo-Soft If you are missing the trimming experience of a yoke I recommend taking a look ...

AV8•7/7/24, 2:11 PM

I saw the Flite Sim presentation at the recent expo and I also watched the youtube video you are referring to. Very exciting times for flight simming. I have just started to build an A320 home cockpit. Pedastal is 99% completed. Going to work on the Capt sidestick pedastal next and then the Captains chair. I am taking a break from flying the Cessna's and I am loving the learning curve / process of the Airbus family. I am torn between building a full size home cockpit of the A320 or the A380...

SSamNFTY > If you've ever flown a plane or a car Inquiring minds want to know....

Dracks•7/7/24, 2:13 PM

Haven't you seen Back to the Future?

All kidding aside, a little mistranslation

SamNFTY•7/7/24, 2:14 PM

I mean, it's a possibility... I've very briefly been airborne in a car. It certainly wasn't very controlled, so I wouldn't call it flying though

AAndyHill easiest way to determine that would be to just measure what you get

Reed•7/7/24, 3:29 PM

I know. Only able to use the data I can find from the aircraft manuals and sme who are answering questions

Reed•7/7/24, 3:36 PM

I think 1lbs is 4.44 newtons

Reed•7/7/24, 3:43 PM

I just ordered a digital force gauge.

Koozie•7/7/24, 9:14 PM

Sorry I’m new lol. Has FFB and Falcon BMS been figured out?

AAV8 I have never seen any video online of people using a force feedback (FFB) system...

WhiteHawk77•7/7/24, 9:37 PM

There’s a number of Rhino MSFS videos on YouTube. You are aware though that Airbus airliners are fly-by-wire so to be realistic you would set up a FFB stick to not move on its own based on air over the control surfaces like you would most aircraft, which is where FFB really comes into its own.

In this case you would set it up so it would give you vibrations, the correct weight to push it and the feel of damping etc, but it won’t be fighting you based on what’s happening with the aircraft through the air.

To be honest, if you are only going to be using a FFB stick for the Fenix A320 or any other fly-by-wire aircraft like it you will get a lot less benefit from it compared to other aircraft. A normal spring based stick base with clutch dampers would be sufficient, and you can add a transducer and use a piece of software like Sim Shaker to add the vibrations as I currently do. The only thing FFB will give you with that type of aircraft is more control of the stick movement feel and damping.

KKoozie Sorry I’m new lol. Has FFB and Falcon BMS been figured out?

nubbins•7/7/24, 10:38 PM

i don't think anything has changed on that front

AAV8 I have never seen any video online of people using a force feedback (FFB) system...

smitty•7/7/24, 11:39 PM

i fly msfs 100%, the ffb is great for trimming. you hold the sick back to climb and trim to relieve pressure. also the stick force increases with airflow over the control surfaces. pedals too. this is all in GA craft, i dont do airliners so i dont know how those would feel.

CapnFlint•7/8/24, 2:41 AM

I've been not paying attention for a bit. Are there any updated recommended settings from Heatblur for Rhino/F4 yet?

WWhiteHawk77 There’s a number of Rhino MSFS videos on YouTube. You are aware though that Air...

AV8•7/8/24, 6:46 AM

Awesome information. Thank you. I will look out for more videos on youtube. Any videos I have seen to date are people with little experience flying, so they are overwhelmed with the joy of trying something new (just like trying VR for the first time). That wears off quickly and you begin to work out the pro's and con's of the device you are controlling / wearing. What I am truly after is the most realistic feeling of flying the Airbus aircraft. I imagine the magic is in the software. So if the software has not been written yet to mimic the fly by wire feeling, then I'm sure it's only a matter of time before that happens.

AV8•7/8/24, 6:49 AM

I do join in group flights occasionally so having the FFB base for the Spitfire and Messerschmitt Bf 109 would be amazing. I have not tried flying helicopters yet, I feel very intimidated by the learning curve, but who knows, maybe in the future...

this an alternative https://www.printables.com/de/model/841190-vpforce-rhino-diy-force-feedback-ffb-

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