Really, the hardest part is hovering and deaccelerating into a hover. Cruise flying is as straight f

Really, the hardest part is hovering and deaccelerating into a hover. Cruise flying is as straight forward as it is in fixed wing. Speed and altitude share an energy budget. You can increase one for the expense of the other, but not both - unless you add power.

RRoboGeoff I'm coming from a Virpil T50CM2 base. I needed a curve of 20 to fly the Apache. ...

LeLv30_Superbus•7/23/24, 2:50 PM

I think you no longer want any curves to mess with the feel of the Apache now that you have a Rhino. It can be tricky especially when landing but curves (if you could use them) would only make it harder. You may want a ~10 cm extension though.

HHiob Really, the hardest part is hovering and deaccelerating into a hover. Cruise fly...

TheAmazinGreat•7/23/24, 2:51 PM

Turning is giving me fits too, but probably just need more practice. What do you do with collective in turns?

TTheAmazinGreat Turning is giving me fits too, but probably just need more practice. What do you...

HiobOP•7/23/24, 2:53 PM

Maybe add a tiny bit, but as I said, same as with fixed wing. keep the ball centered with the pedals ("kick the ball") to avoid slip or skid.

HiobOP•7/23/24, 2:56 PM

You will be fine tuning the turn with the cyclic without noticing. But physics dictate that in order to keep your altitude in a turn, you either slow down (pull on the cyvlic) or add power.

TTheAmazinGreat Might give the Blackhawk mod a go on DCS. Or do a trial of the Mi-8. I have been...

142nd_Bama•7/23/24, 2:57 PM

The 60 is my least favorite helo in dcs… the oh6 is pretty good for a mod. The Kiowa has the best fm but the Huey is really nice, it would be a good trial helo in my opinion!

TheAmazinGreat•7/23/24, 3:08 PM

Maybe I’ll check out the OH6 mod also

HiobOP•7/23/24, 3:08 PM

It is repeated over and over, and I like the FM of the OH-58. But I still fail to see, why or where it is better than that of the Mi-8. Generally the FMs of DCS-Helicopters are very good. I'd say benchmark across any consumer sim. But I can't see what makes the OH-58 so special tbh.

HiobOP•7/23/24, 3:10 PM

(unless one reduces the quality of a helicopter FM to the onset of VRS)

Old Prospector•7/23/24, 3:15 PM

Anecdotally, the Mi-8 seems to have a ton of power. If you are nearly clean, you can go from a gentle descent 1m off the ground to a rapid climb at the drop of a hat.

Old Prospector•7/23/24, 3:16 PM

Big difference compared to Mi-24, very noticeable landing.

HHiob It is repeated over and over, and I like the FM of the OH-58. But I still fail t...

142nd_Bama•7/23/24, 3:27 PM

To be fair I haven’t flown the mi8….

LLeLv30_Superbus I think you no longer *want* any curves to mess with the feel of the Apache now ...

RoboGeoff•7/23/24, 3:29 PM

I do have a 10cm extension. I had a 15cm extension with the Virpil, but that steam is also much shorter. I find it's too twitchy for me right now on hovers and in transition than I am used to

1142nd_Bama To be fair I haven’t flown the mi8….

HiobOP•7/23/24, 3:29 PM

The OH-58 is rather easy to fly (not necessarily unrealistic as I have heard), especially compared to the most popular helicopter module so far - the Apache. Perhaps this is where this judgement stems from.

HiobOP•7/23/24, 3:30 PM

Anyway. Once you got a hang on flying he OH-6 - every other Helicopter flies in easy mode.....

HHiob Anyway. Once you got a hang on flying he OH-6 - every other Helicopter flies in...

142nd_Bama•7/23/24, 3:38 PM

Yes the oh6 and me do not get along!

TheAmazinGreat•7/23/24, 3:40 PM

I wish there was a lofi cockpit, hifi flight model helicopter option lol

TheAmazinGreat•7/23/24, 3:40 PM

Similar to Flaming Cliffs but for a helo

1142nd_Bama Yes the oh6 and me do not get along! 😂😂

HiobOP•7/23/24, 3:41 PM

Eventually it clicked. The keyword for me was over-controlling. But I can't imagine flying it with a desktop spring loaded "peasant" joystick. (And it got a lot better with the second iteration of the FM)

TTheAmazinGreat Similar to Flaming Cliffs but for a helo

HiobOP•7/23/24, 3:43 PM

Well, the OH-6 is free and doesnt' need a base module to work (afaik). It is a hard start, for sure, but if you learn to fly that, you can fly everything.

HHiob Well, the OH-6 is free and doesnt' need a base module to work (afaik). It is a h...

142nd_Bama•7/23/24, 3:50 PM

Agreed, you tame this thing the rest will be much easier!

HHiob Eventually it clicked. The keyword for me was over-controlling. But I can't imag...

Alighierian•7/23/24, 3:51 PM

Flew the initial version a bit, but yea, it was twitchy.

I think I ended up increasing the sensitivity, and limiting the outer range to match the in-game stick range.
Worked pretty well, actually, and I applied the same thing to the Apache.

Works nicely against over-compensating inputs, actually.

HHiob Eventually it clicked. The keyword for me was over-controlling. But I can't imag...

142nd_Bama•7/23/24, 3:51 PM

I’ve got the cm3 with a 200mm extension, it’s a fantastic setup but still excited to try the rhino!

1142nd_Bama I’ve got the cm3 with a 200mm extension, it’s a fantastic setup but still excite...

HiobOP•7/23/24, 3:53 PM

I had a similar setup befor the rhino. It works as well as it comes with non-ffb. But no comparison to the Rhino.

HHiob Well, the OH-6 is free and doesnt' need a base module to work (afaik). It is a h...

TheAmazinGreat•7/23/24, 3:53 PM

https://tenor.com/view/for-free-adam-sandler-gif-16105496

Tenor

Bob Bushman•7/23/24, 3:54 PM

I had the 1st gen t50 and warbrd gimbals from virpil, but getting the rhino is almost as much a jump in smoothnes and feel as when moving to those from my ch\saitek kit.

Bob Bushman•7/23/24, 3:54 PM

And then you add all the FFB features and trim functions etc

HHiob I had a similar setup befor the rhino. It works as well as it comes with non-ffb...

142nd_Bama•7/23/24, 3:54 PM

My concern was the rhino would be as smooth..

Bob Bushman•7/23/24, 3:54 PM

It's smoother.

BBob Bushman It's smoother.

142nd_Bama•7/23/24, 3:55 PM

Oh wow that’s hard to believe because the cm3 with nyogel is pure butter!

1142nd_Bama Oh wow that’s hard to believe because the cm3 with nyogel is pure butter!

HiobOP•7/23/24, 3:55 PM

Yeah, but still has springs,

HHiob Yeah, but still has springs,

142nd_Bama•7/23/24, 3:55 PM

Not with the cm3

1142nd_Bama Not with the cm3

HiobOP•7/23/24, 3:56 PM

You can't properly force trim and force trim release without ffb.

142nd_Bama•7/23/24, 3:56 PM

Well how I run it anyways

1142nd_Bama Well how I run it anyways

HiobOP•7/23/24, 3:56 PM

yeah, but then you have either a limb stick or a lot of friction/stiction.

Bob Bushman•7/23/24, 3:57 PM

I barely touched the rhino, looked at my virpil gimbals and went "yup, done with them"

HHiob You can't properly force trim and force trim release without ffb.

142nd_Bama•7/23/24, 3:57 PM

This is what I’m looking forward to, with my current setup it’s just a dead stick, stays wherever I leave it but there absolutely no stiction

1142nd_Bama This is what I’m looking forward to, with my current setup it’s just a dead stic...

HiobOP•7/23/24, 3:58 PM

That's kind of impossible....

HHiob That's kind of impossible....😅

142nd_Bama•7/23/24, 3:58 PM

How so?

HiobOP•7/23/24, 3:58 PM

Well, anyhow, eventually you will see for yourself. I'll bet you'll love it.

Bob Bushman•7/23/24, 3:59 PM

I somewhat regret I can only afford\justify one

1142nd_Bama How so?

HiobOP•7/23/24, 3:59 PM

Usually, when you have enough friction to keep it in place, you introduce stiction - can't see how to work around this.

Alighierian•7/23/24, 3:59 PM

That's where proper dampers/grease comes in.

HHiob Usually, when you have enough friction to keep it in place, you introduce sticti...

142nd_Bama•7/23/24, 4:00 PM

There was a little at first but with nyogel it erases it!

Alighierian•7/23/24, 4:01 PM

Had to fiddle a fair bit with my NXT EVO to resolve that, but it can certainly be done.
Ended up getting PG-44A for that.

Still need to have a look at my CM3, however, once I get around to getting some new tools.

Bob Bushman•7/23/24, 4:01 PM

not saying the virpils are bad, but the rhino is all that, and more, and you have a stick that can go seamlessly from heli to fixed wing, without even having to alt-tab let alone swapping out parts

HiobOP•7/23/24, 4:02 PM

Yeah, not hitting on the virpil either. As I said - as good as it gets. But no match to proper FFB imho.

Lt_Dan•7/23/24, 4:36 PM

I’ve just come from a Cm3 base this thing pisses over it big time it’s so smooth and the software is made for 8 year olds is so easy to set up.

HHiob Usually, when you have enough friction to keep it in place, you introduce sticti...

nubbins•7/23/24, 4:36 PM

That's just a lack of nyogel on a beefy damper.

Dracks•7/23/24, 6:44 PM

I agree with friends that the CM3 is very, very good, but the Rhino is really a cut above. I'm hesitating to reorder for a 2nd base (for my Vrpil Alpha stick and its role in my A320

Lt_Dan•7/23/24, 7:11 PM

Hit a patch of grass in the P51 and it ripped the stick out my hand and im only using 50%

Really, the hardest part is hovering and deaccelerating into a hover. Cruise flying is as straight f

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