sure, but just because we went through pain doesn't mean new people need to
sure, but just because we went through pain doesn't mean new people need to
VI think Bazzite and other Ublue spins are great places to get started:
- No drivers to install
- No worry about updates
- App store with apps that work reliably
- Room to learn through distrobox
- Near impossibility of breakage
- No drivers to install
- No worry about updates
- App store with apps that work reliably
- Room to learn through distrobox
- Near impossibility of breakage
Kthese words mean nothing to 98% of computer users
Gw0t
Jlike, half the things people need to do on linux mint we've explicitly removed from their lives.
Gyou mean distrohop
KSometimes you get weird flatpak issues vs a non-immutable distro not using flatpaks, but otherwise yes
K(permissions, flatpaks communicating with each other, etc)
VWell if you have trouble with a flatpak, that's when you can get started with distrobox 
Jare those problems worse than the entire operating system falling apart?
Kdependency issues?
Knah it got solved another way, I'm just saying it's something a new user might into, especially if they just google 'how do I do X'
Kneeding to install packages for basic functionality?
KI'm also not a new user tho 
Ja new user is going to use a browser.
Gthey can choose bazzite im not gonna go against it, it's just probably not in my recommendation unless obviously you are hard on gaming which in that case probably likely
Jit doesn't have to be bazzite
Kthat's what bluefin and aurora are for
Jit just needs to be literally anything that isn't a traditional distro if you're looking to help a new user
Jthose days are gone
KAn immutable is less likely to get FUBAR'd by a new user mindleslessly following a tutorial for the wrong thing
VI mean, if you follow an askubuntu thread from 12 years ago that's not guaranteed to work either. (No offence jorge)
Googling issues doesn't always work out, and if they don't on Bazzite it doesn't mean your graphics break and you need to reinstall.
Googling issues doesn't always work out, and if they don't on Bazzite it doesn't mean your graphics break and you need to reinstall.
Gyeah we can expend further than what universal blue just offers
Jthere is zero technical reason to recommend a new user a traditional distro - the sooner we kill that myth the better.
KObviously. I'm just pointing out an issue a new Linux user could run into on an immutable they possibly wouldn't elsewhere (where distro-provided packages are installed vs being mostly flatpaks, etc)
JI know that this will lead to gnashing of teeth
Kin fact it's a great way to ensure linux doesn't grow
Jbut like seriously that boat sailed in 2016
VCan argue the same about Microsoft store apps 
No new experience is completely learning free.
No new experience is completely learning free.
Gthere definetely is. Just sto being a Ublue fanboy and expand your horizon
KYes. I'm hardly advocating Traditional over Immutable here. Just saying there's still learning curves/hiccups.
Jthere are exactly zero traditional linux clients with any kind of market penetration. And most of the growth you can account to steamOS. There's no reason to make new users suffer through a 1990s model.
Katomic fanboy, not about ublue
Ggranted bazzite is great as a gaming distro
VThere is, but a lot of the common arguments for them are flawed.
Kthe traditional linux desktop hasn't grown
Kit's not fit for pupose
Gthis exactly though
Jlike why would you give someone a product with 4% market share over 30 years. In any other market that'd be a meme.
VYou don't learn anything on immutable distros
Pdid u fr join the bazzite channel to tell bazzite users that they should stop recommending bazzite
JLike, is ublue interrupting the hockey stick growth of the traditional desktop that I'm not aware of?
Pyeah what gives
Gno in fact I clarified it's their right to choose to recommend bazzite if they want to but again not for me
KI mean, I've learned a lot about how immutable distros and flatpak permissions work since switching to Bazzite
Gjust wanted to make sure that we aren't ignoring there are other distros out there
Jalso if I come back as combative that's not my intended tone. I'm just like, how much failure does it take for people to realize that no one wants a traditional linux desktop any more.
Pwhat
Pi feel like people being here precludes the need to choose?
Plike maybe they already made their mind up and that's why they're here?
JI was addressing the new user thing
