I think Bazzite and other Ublue spins are great places to get started: - No drivers to install - No

I think Bazzite and other Ublue spins are great places to get started:
- No drivers to install
- No worry about updates
- App store with apps that work reliably
- Room to learn through distrobox
- Near impossibility of breakage

GGorujo-kun they can distrohop at any time, and I know someone who did just that. Started wi...

Kyle Gospo•7/29/24, 9:46 PM

these words mean nothing to 98% of computer users

KKyle Gospo these words mean nothing to 98% of computer users

Gorujo-kun•7/29/24, 9:46 PM

w0t

j0rge•7/29/24, 9:46 PM

like, half the things people need to do on linux mint we've explicitly removed from their lives.

Gorujo-kun•7/29/24, 9:46 PM

you mean distrohop

VValerie I think Bazzite and other Ublue spins are great places to get started: - No driv...

Kamquat•7/29/24, 9:46 PM

Sometimes you get weird flatpak issues vs a non-immutable distro not using flatpaks, but otherwise yes

Kamquat•7/29/24, 9:47 PM

(permissions, flatpaks communicating with each other, etc)

KKamquat Sometimes you get weird flatpak issues vs a non-immutable distro not using flatp...

ValerieOP•7/29/24, 9:47 PM

Well if you have trouble with a flatpak, that's when you can get started with distrobox

j0rge•7/29/24, 9:47 PM

are those problems worse than the entire operating system falling apart?

Kyle Gospo•7/29/24, 9:47 PM

dependency issues?

VValerie Well if you have trouble with a flatpak, that's when you can get started with di...

Kamquat•7/29/24, 9:47 PM

nah it got solved another way, I'm just saying it's something a new user might into, especially if they just google 'how do I do X'

Kyle Gospo•7/29/24, 9:47 PM

needing to install packages for basic functionality?

Kamquat•7/29/24, 9:48 PM

I'm also not a new user tho

j0rge•7/29/24, 9:48 PM

a new user is going to use a browser.

Jj0rge sure, but just because we went through pain doesn't mean new people need to

Gorujo-kun•7/29/24, 9:48 PM

they can choose bazzite im not gonna go against it, it's just probably not in my recommendation unless obviously you are hard on gaming which in that case probably likely

j0rge•7/29/24, 9:48 PM

it doesn't have to be bazzite

GGorujo-kun they can choose bazzite im not gonna go against it, it's just probably not in my...

Kyle Gospo•7/29/24, 9:48 PM

that's what bluefin and aurora are for

j0rge•7/29/24, 9:48 PM

it just needs to be literally anything that isn't a traditional distro if you're looking to help a new user

j0rge•7/29/24, 9:48 PM

those days are gone

Kamquat•7/29/24, 9:48 PM

An immutable is less likely to get FUBAR'd by a new user mindleslessly following a tutorial for the wrong thing

KKamquat nah it got solved another way, I'm just saying it's something a new user might i...

ValerieOP•7/29/24, 9:48 PM

I mean, if you follow an askubuntu thread from 12 years ago that's not guaranteed to work either. (No offence jorge)

Googling issues doesn't always work out, and if they don't on Bazzite it doesn't mean your graphics break and you need to reinstall.

Gorujo-kun•7/29/24, 9:49 PM

yeah we can expend further than what universal blue just offers

j0rge•7/29/24, 9:49 PM

there is zero technical reason to recommend a new user a traditional distro - the sooner we kill that myth the better.

VValerie I mean, if you follow an askubuntu thread from 12 years ago that's not guarantee...

Kamquat•7/29/24, 9:49 PM

Obviously. I'm just pointing out an issue a new Linux user could run into on an immutable they possibly wouldn't elsewhere (where distro-provided packages are installed vs being mostly flatpaks, etc)

j0rge•7/29/24, 9:49 PM

I know that this will lead to gnashing of teeth

Jj0rge there is zero technical reason to recommend a new user a traditional distro - th...

Kyle Gospo•7/29/24, 9:49 PM

in fact it's a great way to ensure linux doesn't grow

j0rge•7/29/24, 9:49 PM

but like seriously that boat sailed in 2016

KKamquat Obviously. I'm just pointing out an issue a new Linux user could run into on an ...

ValerieOP•7/29/24, 9:50 PM

Can argue the same about Microsoft store apps

No new experience is completely learning free.

Jj0rge there is zero technical reason to recommend a new user a traditional distro - th...

Gorujo-kun•7/29/24, 9:50 PM

there definetely is. Just sto being a Ublue fanboy and expand your horizon

VValerie Can argue the same about Microsoft store apps 🤷 No new experience is complete...

Kamquat•7/29/24, 9:50 PM

Yes. I'm hardly advocating Traditional over Immutable here. Just saying there's still learning curves/hiccups.

j0rge•7/29/24, 9:50 PM

there are exactly zero traditional linux clients with any kind of market penetration. And most of the growth you can account to steamOS. There's no reason to make new users suffer through a 1990s model.

GGorujo-kun there definetely is. Just sto being a Ublue fanboy and expand your horizon

Kyle Gospo•7/29/24, 9:50 PM

atomic fanboy, not about ublue

Gorujo-kun•7/29/24, 9:50 PM

granted bazzite is great as a gaming distro

GGorujo-kun there definetely is. Just sto being a Ublue fanboy and expand your horizon

ValerieOP•7/29/24, 9:50 PM

There is, but a lot of the common arguments for them are flawed.

Kyle Gospo•7/29/24, 9:51 PM

the traditional linux desktop hasn't grown

Kyle Gospo•7/29/24, 9:51 PM

it's not fit for pupose

KKamquat Yes. I'm hardly advocating Traditional over Immutable here. Just saying there's ...

Gorujo-kun•7/29/24, 9:51 PM

this exactly though

j0rge•7/29/24, 9:51 PM

like why would you give someone a product with 4% market share over 30 years. In any other market that'd be a meme.

ValerieOP•7/29/24, 9:51 PM

You don't learn anything on immutable distros

Pez•7/29/24, 9:51 PM

did u fr join the bazzite channel to tell bazzite users that they should stop recommending bazzite

j0rge•7/29/24, 9:52 PM

Like, is ublue interrupting the hockey stick growth of the traditional desktop that I'm not aware of?

Pez•7/29/24, 9:52 PM

yeah what gives

PPez did u fr join the bazzite channel to tell bazzite users that they should stop re...

Gorujo-kun•7/29/24, 9:52 PM

no in fact I clarified it's their right to choose to recommend bazzite if they want to but again not for me

VValerie You don't learn anything on immutable distros 🙂

Kamquat•7/29/24, 9:52 PM

I mean, I've learned a lot about how immutable distros and flatpak permissions work since switching to Bazzite

Gorujo-kun•7/29/24, 9:52 PM

just wanted to make sure that we aren't ignoring there are other distros out there

j0rge•7/29/24, 9:52 PM

also if I come back as combative that's not my intended tone. I'm just like, how much failure does it take for people to realize that no one wants a traditional linux desktop any more.

Pez•7/29/24, 9:52 PM

what

Pez•7/29/24, 9:53 PM

i feel like people being here precludes the need to choose?

Pez•7/29/24, 9:53 PM

like maybe they already made their mind up and that's why they're here?

j0rge•7/29/24, 9:53 PM

I was addressing the new user thing

Pez•7/29/24, 9:53 PM

i wasn't responding to you

I think Bazzite and other Ublue spins are great places to get started: - No drivers to install - No

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