Having only used a Rift S, I can't speak to much. But my wishlist would include a good dynamic range

Having only used a Rift S, I can't speak to much. But my wishlist would include a good dynamic range, wide FOV, dynamic foveated rendering, good nosegap visibility (to check physical switches/charts) alt. solid AR passthrough.
I don't think there's a system available yet that does all of that, but you can get most of it with things like the Quest 3 or Pimax Crystal

buzzbomb•8/4/24, 7:39 AM

best is very subjective. Whats your budget, just flight sims, ease of use, fiddle-factor, etc

Bbuzzbomb best is very subjective. Whats your budget, just flight sims, ease of use, fidd...

PokePoke•8/4/24, 7:46 AM

under 2000usd because I will use VR only for il2GB for sim racing I don’t use. I really don’t like wear VR. but I think triples os not enough for flight sims because of vertical FOV

SScarlet Having only used a Rift S, I can't speak to much. But my wishlist would include ...

PokePoke•8/4/24, 7:46 AM

Quest 3 I already have but other guys say it is not good enough

PPokePoke Quest 3 I already have but other guys say it is not good enough 😦

ScarletOP•8/4/24, 7:48 AM

well The Warthog Project (if you know who that is) just got his looking as good as the Reverb G2 with passthrough on stream (till it crashed :P)

SScarlet well The Warthog Project (if you know who that is) just got his looking as good ...

PokePoke•8/4/24, 7:51 AM

I think Quest 3 is better looking than G2 honestly

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[OR] SerGeant•8/4/24, 8:15 AM

Pimax Crystal (not the light) is very good for flight sims, especially DCS because of Quad Views Foveated. Massive performance gain. More FPS than Quest 3 while the image is significantly sharper.

A friend with quest 3 visited me on Saturday. He tried my Pimax Crystal (quad views/eye tracking) and said, he regrets to have not bought Crystal instead. he was impressed by the performance and the resolution/clarity at the same time.
He said it’s a bit heavy.
Just wanted to share his comparison between this headsets.

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[OR] SerGeant•8/4/24, 8:19 AM

So even without quad views, the Crystal has a better image.
I would say under 2000USD there is no alternative.
Somnium VR1 would be even better, quaility wise. But 2500-4000€.

SR-F_Winger_[73]_David•8/4/24, 8:33 AM

Hello guys. I found an associate that will be taking over the sales and customer relations of the DIY kits. The will come in the known quality.
@kaltokri is the guy to talk to if you want one.
I will be in the background providing the 3D printed parts.
I thoroughly briefed him on the backs packing and labeling as well as everything else.
So if you wnat a DIY Rhino based on @Subsonic (Protomaker) s kit (sligtly modified) then go ahead and contact @kaltokri
For info and opinions on the kits please refer to
https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/88280-vpforce-rhino-diy-kit-for-sale-again-rhino-in-a-day/
and
https://forum.dcs.world/topic/343192-vpforce-rhino-diy-kit-for-sale-again-rhino-in-a-day/

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Hello Guys, i found an associate that will be taking over the bigger part of the Kit work. He will be preparing the kits like before. He will be taking over the packing of the parts and partial preassembly. Also Customer relations as well as sales and all responsibilities that come with it. I wil...

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SSR-F_Winger_[73]_David Hello guys. I found an associate that will be taking over the sales and customer...

kaltokri•8/4/24, 8:42 AM

Thank you very much for the announcement and cooperation. In this way, the availability of do-it-yourself kits for the Rhino can be ensured again.
If someone has any questions or would like to place an order, please contact me.

[[OR] SerGeant Pimax Crystal (not the light) is very good for flight sims, especially DCS becau...

PokePoke•8/4/24, 9:39 AM

Thanks for the advice

Alto•8/4/24, 1:02 PM

Howdy, quick question.
I'd like to build a helicopter rig, so I want to have as long of an arm as possible. Mounting the base horizontally with a right angle adapter would give me significantly more room, any reason this wouldn't work?

j9murphy•8/4/24, 1:07 PM

Seems like the roll axis would feel weird. The whole stick would be translating right and left instead of just pivoting. At least that's what I see in my head lol

Alto•8/4/24, 1:09 PM

Ahh yep, should've realised that

Alto•8/4/24, 1:14 PM

Mounting it upside down would resolve that but then it'd be a 180 adapter and the horizontal arm would need be quite long to not hinder the ROM and it would move vertically when pitching back and forth.
I see why nobody seems to have experimented with this

Fr4Ged•8/4/24, 1:46 PM

Also using a 200mm extension already give you great throw that you don't need it to be even longer

PPokePoke I think Quest 3 is better looking than G2 honestly

Austringer•8/4/24, 1:48 PM

It has a lot better displays, so i would expect it would.

AAustringer It has a lot better displays, so i would expect it would.

ampcode•8/4/24, 2:41 PM

Quest3 has better lenses, displays are worse, also it does always use compression, while G2 isn't. However due to lenses being pancake instead of fresnel (g2) Quest3 can have some edge over G2 - Q3 is not not losing sharpness outside center of view while not moving your head, but just eyes. Just for clarifying. Pimax looks better, but it does have QA/Support issues, so it ends up bit of lottery. However alternatives are much more expensive

Aampcode Quest3 has better lenses, displays are worse, also it does always use compressio...

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[OR] SerGeant•8/4/24, 2:47 PM

Indeed q/a at pimax is meh! It is veeeery slowly with support requests.

Aampcode Quest3 has better lenses, displays are worse, also it does always use compressio...

Austringer•8/4/24, 4:08 PM

And pimax requires more horsepower to operate

AAustringer And pimax requires more horsepower to operate

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[OR] SerGeant•8/4/24, 5:07 PM

If dynamic foveated rendering is availible, then is need less horsepower than Q3

Jabbers•8/4/24, 6:45 PM

@SR-FWinger[73]_David @kaltokri I'm curious since I just don't see it in the images posted, what about the control board? Im assuming that is also in one of the kits? Unless im missing sometihng..

Bob Bushman•8/4/24, 6:47 PM

I think the control boards are on the motors, with a logic board handling connections etc.

JJabbers @SR-F_Winger_[73]_David @kaltokri I'm curious since I just don't see it in the i...

kaltokri•8/4/24, 6:55 PM

Control board is part of the motor kit, which must be ordered at VPForce separately.

Clint•8/4/24, 7:02 PM

Are the assembly instructions available to look at currently? I wanted to get a visual on what's involved? Thanks.

Ithergames•8/4/24, 7:18 PM

Does anyone know of a source for an Apache cyclic handle that will work with the vprhino?

Bob Bushman•8/4/24, 7:22 PM

The virpil one might be the only one, not entirely sure its fully supported though.
Might need a virpil gimbal tucked away as a box somewhere.

Kkaltokri Control board is part of the motor kit, which must be ordered at VPForce separat...

Jabbers•8/4/24, 7:30 PM

Oh ok ez enough, thx

BBob Bushman The virpil one might be the only one, not entirely sure its fully supported thou...

Ithergames•8/4/24, 7:47 PM

Virpil? They only make a collective which I ordered. I'm looking for the cyclic handle between your legs

Bob Bushman•8/4/24, 7:47 PM

Right, brainfart on my end

Ithergames•8/4/24, 7:48 PM

LMAO; well damn; the video only made 889 likes

Bob Bushman•8/4/24, 7:48 PM

I just use my cm2. Plenty buttons

Ithergames•8/4/24, 7:49 PM

Yeah. I got WW F18 stick right now which is OK. I was wanting to compliment the setup to match with collective.

Bob Bushman•8/4/24, 7:54 PM

I got like four 5- way hats a 3- way on the side, four regular buttons, and two triggers, one with dual stage, the other with a flip up.

It's not 1:1 of anything, but it certainly gives options.
And runs natively on the rhino.

Kkaltokri Control board is part of the motor kit, which must be ordered at VPForce separat...

Kaidrick•8/5/24, 3:26 AM

So the printed base comes in DIY parts, and I need to purchase VPFroce motor kit in advance, is that right? Also, could you shed some light on the differences between the motors sold by VPForce? Those are 57BLF03, 86BLF04 and 86BLF03. Which one should I go for?

KKaidrick So the printed base comes in DIY parts, and I need to purchase VPFroce motor kit...

kaltokri•8/5/24, 7:00 AM

Yes, the kit includes all parts except the motor kit (1. DIY FFB kit: 57BLF03 x2 + USB - 299 € (+ VAT)) and power supply unit.
Both needed to be purchased separately.

Kkaltokri Yes, the kit includes all parts except the motor kit (1. DIY FFB kit: 57BLF03 x2...

Kaidrick•8/5/24, 7:06 AM

Can I buy a power supply unit at VPForce website? I didn't see a PSU in the order request form. If they don't have it, what specifications should I look for? Thanks

FarFutureFox•8/5/24, 4:52 PM

I see some people make collectives with the Rhino parts. What would be the advantages of using FFB for a collective, apart from some effects like airframe vibration, weapons and touchdown?

amadeus•8/5/24, 5:04 PM

Probably really nice and configurable damping?

FarFutureFox•8/5/24, 5:07 PM

True. I’m considering making one for this reason. It’s not that much more costly than a good non-FFB collective.

Majik•8/5/24, 5:09 PM

Some helos, like the H145 have auto moving collectives as well when in autopilot

amadeus•8/5/24, 5:14 PM

I don’t think that’s supported yet tho, fwiw

slowmover•8/5/24, 5:16 PM

Ch-47F should also have a moving collective

slowmover•8/5/24, 5:16 PM

I am also thinking to buy another kit for making a collective and rudder pedals

Aamadeus I don’t think that’s supported yet tho, fwiw

Majik•8/5/24, 5:57 PM

Looks to be working here https://discord.com/channels/965234441511383080/1230919462144835674/1230926243222782087
Unless this is as yet unreleased and merely something @Number481 is working on for the future

amadeus•8/5/24, 6:01 PM

Oh that’s rad! Yeah not sure if that’s released yet, but maybe it is and I’m just out of the loop

Jon (Bounty_V)•8/5/24, 6:12 PM

https://qubicsystem.com/product/qs-bt1/ anyone seen this? Works with flight sim

Qubic System SimulatorQubic System

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Bob Bushman•8/5/24, 6:14 PM

For that price it should offer fellatio during aar.

MMajik Looks to be working here https://discord.com/channels/965234441511383080/1230919...

Number481•8/5/24, 6:17 PM

The AFCS implementation for the MSFS H145/160 from HPG is complete and functional for all 3 axes (Cyclic, Pedals, Collective). However it is a very unique case only made possible by direct involvement of the developers and external controls we have in MSFS via SimConnect.

The cyclic/pedals are not a simple "follow the axis" implementation. There were several key things were needed to implement it including specific telemetry indicating the state of the AFCS trim system and specific LVARS that could be set to indicate whether the axis is moving by user input.

The collective was actually the easiest to implement. If the user is not pressing the collective trim release, we simply do not send any axis data to the sim and just "follows the axis".

All that said, DCS does not provide the same external controls, or telemetry that would be needed to pull off a similar implementation.

From what I have read, the ED team intends to implement AFCS on the cyclic, but I would not expect we will be able to externally implement pedals and/or collective just due to DCS limitations.

BadKarma•8/5/24, 7:49 PM

Hi all, I just saw the Moza AB9 review and it said that when you use a Virpil stick some of the axis are recognised as buttons. Is the same true for the VPForce? I currently have a VKB installed as right stick and also thinking of adding a FFB center mounted one with either VKB or Virpil.

BBadKarma Hi all, I just saw the Moza AB9 review and it said that when you use a Virpil st...

LeLv30_Superbus•8/5/24, 8:44 PM

Rhino supports Virpil grips fully. VKB doesn't need support, only an adapter for attachment (remember include it in your order); you will use your blackbox, there is no electrical connection.

Having only used a Rift S, I can't speak to much. But my wishlist would include a good dynamic range

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