best is very subjective. Whats your budget, just flight sims, ease of use, fiddle-factor, etc
best is very subjective. Whats your budget, just flight sims, ease of use, fiddle-factor, etc
Punder 2000usd because I will use VR only for il2GB for sim racing I don’t use. I really don’t like wear VR. but I think triples os not enough for flight sims because of vertical FOV
PQuest 3 I already have but other guys say it is not good enough 
Swell The Warthog Project (if you know who that is) just got his looking as good as the Reverb G2 with passthrough on stream (till it crashed :P)
PI think Quest 3 is better looking than G2 honestly
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[Pimax Crystal (not the light) is very good for flight sims, especially DCS because of Quad Views Foveated. Massive performance gain. More FPS than Quest 3 while the image is significantly sharper.
A friend with quest 3 visited me on Saturday. He tried my Pimax Crystal (quad views/eye tracking) and said, he regrets to have not bought Crystal instead. he was impressed by the performance and the resolution/clarity at the same time.
He said it’s a bit heavy.
Just wanted to share his comparison between this headsets.
A friend with quest 3 visited me on Saturday. He tried my Pimax Crystal (quad views/eye tracking) and said, he regrets to have not bought Crystal instead. he was impressed by the performance and the resolution/clarity at the same time.
He said it’s a bit heavy.
Just wanted to share his comparison between this headsets.
[So even without quad views, the Crystal has a better image.
I would say under 2000USD there is no alternative.
Somnium VR1 would be even better, quaility wise. But 2500-4000€.
I would say under 2000USD there is no alternative.
Somnium VR1 would be even better, quaility wise. But 2500-4000€.
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SHello guys. I found an associate that will be taking over the sales and customer relations of the DIY kits. The will come in the known quality.
@kaltokri is the guy to talk to if you want one.
I will be in the background providing the 3D printed parts.
I thoroughly briefed him on the backs packing and labeling as well as everything else.
So if you wnat a DIY Rhino based on @Subsonic (Protomaker) s kit (sligtly modified) then go ahead and contact @kaltokri
For info and opinions on the kits please refer to
https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/88280-vpforce-rhino-diy-kit-for-sale-again-rhino-in-a-day/
and
https://forum.dcs.world/topic/343192-vpforce-rhino-diy-kit-for-sale-again-rhino-in-a-day/
@kaltokri is the guy to talk to if you want one.
I will be in the background providing the 3D printed parts.
I thoroughly briefed him on the backs packing and labeling as well as everything else.
So if you wnat a DIY Rhino based on @Subsonic (Protomaker) s kit (sligtly modified) then go ahead and contact @kaltokri
For info and opinions on the kits please refer to
https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/88280-vpforce-rhino-diy-kit-for-sale-again-rhino-in-a-day/
and
https://forum.dcs.world/topic/343192-vpforce-rhino-diy-kit-for-sale-again-rhino-in-a-day/
IL-2 Sturmovik Forum
Hello Guys, i found an associate that will be taking over the bigger part of the Kit work. He will be preparing the kits like before. He will be taking over the packing of the parts and partial preassembly. Also Customer relations as well as sales and all responsibilities that come with it. I wil...
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Hello Guys, i found an associate that will be taking over the bigger part of the Kit work. He will be preparing the kits like before. He will be taking over the packing of the parts and partial preassembly. Also Customer relations as well as sales and all responsibilities that come with it. I wil...
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KThank you very much for the announcement and cooperation. In this way, the availability of do-it-yourself kits for the Rhino can be ensured again.
If someone has any questions or would like to place an order, please contact me.
If someone has any questions or would like to place an order, please contact me.
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PThanks for the advice
AHowdy, quick question.
I'd like to build a helicopter rig, so I want to have as long of an arm as possible. Mounting the base horizontally with a right angle adapter would give me significantly more room, any reason this wouldn't work?
I'd like to build a helicopter rig, so I want to have as long of an arm as possible. Mounting the base horizontally with a right angle adapter would give me significantly more room, any reason this wouldn't work?
JSeems like the roll axis would feel weird. The whole stick would be translating right and left instead of just pivoting. At least that's what I see in my head lol
AAhh yep, should've realised that
AMounting it upside down would resolve that but then it'd be a 180 adapter and the horizontal arm would need be quite long to not hinder the ROM and it would move vertically when pitching back and forth.
I see why nobody seems to have experimented with this
I see why nobody seems to have experimented with this
FAlso using a 200mm extension already give you great throw that you don't need it to be even longer
AIt has a lot better displays, so i would expect it would.
AQuest3 has better lenses, displays are worse, also it does always use compression, while G2 isn't. However due to lenses being pancake instead of fresnel (g2) Quest3 can have some edge over G2 - Q3 is not not losing sharpness outside center of view while not moving your head, but just eyes. Just for clarifying. Pimax looks better, but it does have QA/Support issues, so it ends up bit of lottery. However alternatives are much more expensive 
[Indeed q/a at pimax is meh! It is veeeery slowly with support requests.
AAnd pimax requires more horsepower to operate
[If dynamic foveated rendering is availible, then is need less horsepower than Q3
J@SR-FWinger[73]_David @kaltokri I'm curious since I just don't see it in the images posted, what about the control board? Im assuming that is also in one of the kits? Unless im missing sometihng..
BI think the control boards are on the motors, with a logic board handling connections etc.
KControl board is part of the motor kit, which must be ordered at VPForce separately.
CAre the assembly instructions available to look at currently? I wanted to get a visual on what's involved? Thanks.
IDoes anyone know of a source for an Apache cyclic handle that will work with the vprhino?
BThe virpil one might be the only one, not entirely sure its fully supported though.
Might need a virpil gimbal tucked away as a box somewhere.
Might need a virpil gimbal tucked away as a box somewhere.
JOh ok ez enough, thx
IVirpil? They only make a collective which I ordered. I'm looking for the cyclic handle between your legs 
BRight, brainfart on my end
ILMAO; well damn; the video only made 889 likes
BI just use my cm2. Plenty buttons 
IYeah. I got WW F18 stick right now which is OK. I was wanting to compliment the setup to match with collective.
BI got like four 5- way hats a 3- way on the side, four regular buttons, and two triggers, one with dual stage, the other with a flip up.
It's not 1:1 of anything, but it certainly gives options.
And runs natively on the rhino.
It's not 1:1 of anything, but it certainly gives options.
And runs natively on the rhino.
KSo the printed base comes in DIY parts, and I need to purchase VPFroce motor kit in advance, is that right? Also, could you shed some light on the differences between the motors sold by VPForce? Those are 57BLF03, 86BLF04 and 86BLF03. Which one should I go for?
KYes, the kit includes all parts except the motor kit (1. DIY FFB kit: 57BLF03 x2 + USB - 299 € (+ VAT)) and power supply unit.
Both needed to be purchased separately.
Both needed to be purchased separately.
KCan I buy a power supply unit at VPForce website? I didn't see a PSU in the order request form. If they don't have it, what specifications should I look for? Thanks
FI see some people make collectives with the Rhino parts. What would be the advantages of using FFB for a collective, apart from some effects like airframe vibration, weapons and touchdown?
AProbably really nice and configurable damping?
FTrue. I’m considering making one for this reason. It’s not that much more costly than a good non-FFB collective.
MSome helos, like the H145 have auto moving collectives as well when in autopilot
AI don’t think that’s supported yet tho, fwiw
SCh-47F should also have a moving collective
SI am also thinking to buy another kit for making a collective and rudder pedals
MLooks to be working here https://discord.com/channels/965234441511383080/1230919462144835674/1230926243222782087
Unless this is as yet unreleased and merely something @Number481 is working on for the future
Unless this is as yet unreleased and merely something @Number481 is working on for the future
AOh that’s rad! Yeah not sure if that’s released yet, but maybe it is and I’m just out of the loop
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NThe AFCS implementation for the MSFS H145/160 from HPG is complete and functional for all 3 axes (Cyclic, Pedals, Collective). However it is a very unique case only made possible by direct involvement of the developers and external controls we have in MSFS via SimConnect.
The cyclic/pedals are not a simple "follow the axis" implementation. There were several key things were needed to implement it including specific telemetry indicating the state of the AFCS trim system and specific LVARS that could be set to indicate whether the axis is moving by user input.
The collective was actually the easiest to implement. If the user is not pressing the collective trim release, we simply do not send any axis data to the sim and just "follows the axis".
All that said, DCS does not provide the same external controls, or telemetry that would be needed to pull off a similar implementation.
From what I have read, the ED team intends to implement AFCS on the cyclic, but I would not expect we will be able to externally implement pedals and/or collective just due to DCS limitations.
The cyclic/pedals are not a simple "follow the axis" implementation. There were several key things were needed to implement it including specific telemetry indicating the state of the AFCS trim system and specific LVARS that could be set to indicate whether the axis is moving by user input.
The collective was actually the easiest to implement. If the user is not pressing the collective trim release, we simply do not send any axis data to the sim and just "follows the axis".
All that said, DCS does not provide the same external controls, or telemetry that would be needed to pull off a similar implementation.
From what I have read, the ED team intends to implement AFCS on the cyclic, but I would not expect we will be able to externally implement pedals and/or collective just due to DCS limitations.
BHi all, I just saw the Moza AB9 review and it said that when you use a Virpil stick some of the axis are recognised as buttons. Is the same true for the VPForce? I currently have a VKB installed as right stick and also thinking of adding a FFB center mounted one with either VKB or Virpil.
LRhino supports Virpil grips fully. VKB doesn't need support, only an adapter for attachment (remember include it in your order); you will use your blackbox, there is no electrical connection.
HAnyone looking for a Brunner CLS-E MKII Joystick? I'm selling mine and possibly my rhino as well. I'm going to sell the Brunner for 700 shipped anywhere in the USA. After that sells I'll be selling the rhino for 900 and it will be available immediately so there is no waiting. If you are in the USA shoot me a direct message and I'm happy to answer questions