What do the "4-Way Hats" checkboxes on the Settings page in the FFB Configurator do? I have a TM F-1

What do the "4-Way Hats" checkboxes on the Settings page in the FFB Configurator do? I have a TM F-16 grip, and have selected "Generic Grip" as the grip type, since there was no direct match. At least for this setup, the checkboxes don't seem to do much anything whether they're checked or not. Manual says nothing about the checkboxes.

SSageh What do the "4-Way Hats" checkboxes on the Settings page in the FFB Configurator...

TheAmazinGreat•10/5/24, 3:40 PM

If your buttons are working as they should I wouldn’t worry. Generic Grip is the correct setting for TM. Also make sure you are storing config when making changes.

SSageh What do the "4-Way Hats" checkboxes on the Settings page in the FFB Configurator...

Number481•10/5/24, 3:48 PM

If you are using “hats as buttons”, it blocks the diagonal combinations like U/L, U/R, etc. if you are not using the hats as buttons, it doesn’t send the diagonal pov events that would be part of an 8-way hat.

NNumber481 If you are using “hats as buttons”, it blocks the diagonal combinations like U/...

SagehOP•10/5/24, 3:54 PM

Did I get this right: The "Hats as buttons" checkboxes will make it so that when you push the hat to (say) upper right, then it will put out either the button for right or button for up, but not up and right simultaneously. Whereas the "4-Way Hats" checkboxes will just disable the diagonals from 8-way hats. Is this correct?

Number481•10/5/24, 4:15 PM

Normally, a hat will generate hat specific events like “pov_l” or “pov_ur”. The hats as buttons feature will generate generic button numbers in stead.

The 4-way feature will block the diagonals, turning what might be electrically an 8-way into a 4 way.

NNumber481 Normally, a hat will generate hat specific events like “pov_l” or “pov_ur”. The...

SagehOP•10/5/24, 4:24 PM

Copy that

. Looks like the generic grip will just generate only button events for the hats regardless, so it doesn't matter for my current setup. I'll have to remember this when changing grips though.

Schlomo1933!•10/5/24, 5:27 PM

my emergency button stopped working , so rhino is all the time powered

amadeus•10/6/24, 4:02 AM

go big or go home

SagehOP•10/6/24, 12:31 PM

Related to my previous question: Are there plans to increase the number of directly supported grips in the configurator, e.g. for the TM grips or the new Virpil Flanker grip? And is there much benefit in having direct support for a grip, except for possible additional axes like analog hats or such?

Prometheus [Prom]•10/6/24, 2:24 PM

I have to import a vpforce configurator file (.vpconf) each time vptelemeffb is started. Things like changes to the settings page etc. I assumed these are stored in the usb perm memory and load on start of the device (so reading from device to the VP configuration). Must be doing something wrong. Anyone any ideas? Just to note it does have changes I made when I first set up the device such as using the wingwin grip - clearly something I've done is the problem

PPrometheus [Prom]I have to import a vpforce configurator file (.vpconf) each time vptelemeffb is ...

Prometheus [Prom]•10/6/24, 2:28 PM

Just noticed if I open VP configurator directly it populates settings correctly, so it seems this happens when I open the configuration from the telemffb program's menu. possibly a program location issue?

PPrometheus [Prom]Just noticed if I open VP configurator directly it populates settings correctly,...

Number481•10/6/24, 3:29 PM

There is no functional difference between launching configurator from the TelemFFB menu or launching it directly.

Are you using the vpconf startup feature in the TelemFFB system settings? That will push whatever profile you have chosen every time TelemFFB starts.

NNumber481 There is no functional difference between launching configurator from the TelemF...

Prometheus [Prom]•10/6/24, 3:34 PM

Thanks. just figured it out (reading the manual again), registry settings set the config location that telemffb uses to locate the config files - I must have moved the location of the configs....[edit] in settings too meh

TheAmazinGreat•10/6/24, 9:16 PM

TM is already supported, and Walmis has said directly that FLNKR will be supported.

TTheAmazinGreat TM is already supported, and Walmis has said directly that FLNKR will be support...

SagehOP•10/6/24, 9:29 PM

Can’t find the any TM grip listed on the configurator pulldown selector, how do I access them?

SSageh Can’t find the any TM grip listed on the configurator pulldown selector, how do ...

TheAmazinGreat•10/6/24, 11:30 PM

“Generic Grip”

TheAmazinGreat•10/6/24, 11:32 PM

Will work for all CD4021B shift register based grips.

gundamrx0•10/7/24, 3:08 AM

Hi everyone

gundamrx0•10/7/24, 3:09 AM

The vkb apdater will that work on a moza ab9?

Daedalus•10/7/24, 3:33 AM

I recently started using a physical throw limiter. After calibration the axis all match up correctly in the configurator, but once I get into certain modules the y axis is rescaling by itself. The full Y axis throw is limited down to 50% once the ffb telem kicks in. The limited range is reflected in the configurator and in DCS. If I close out FFB telem I get the full axis again. I have nothing in the effects tab of the configurator turned on. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

DDaedalus I recently started using a physical throw limiter. After calibration the axis al...

kaltokri•10/7/24, 4:01 AM

Did you use TelemFFB to load an old configuration file?

Vulture•10/7/24, 2:40 PM

How do I setup trim stick following for DCS OV-10A mod? In game elevator and aileron trim work but stick doesn’t follow trim input.

VVulture How do I setup trim stick following for DCS OV-10A mod? In game elevator and ail...

Number481•10/7/24, 5:49 PM

the community mods (excepting the OH6) don't support FFB. You'll have to either use "Sticky" spring + override trim in the configurator software, or you can use the "Override DCS Spring" feature in TelemFFB and then set your trim bindings in the sub config.

Vulture•10/7/24, 9:56 PM

Ok I’ll give that a try. Thanks!

Vulture•10/7/24, 9:59 PM

Will any of the telemffb effects work with the OV-10

VVulture Will any of the telemffb effects work with the OV-10

Vulture•10/7/24, 9:59 PM

Number481•10/7/24, 10:01 PM

Most stuff should work. I think.

Vulture•10/7/24, 10:02 PM

Okay. Something to play with.

Kkaltokri Did you use TelemFFB to load an old configuration file?

Daedalus•10/8/24, 12:31 AM

I dont believe so. So what I noticed today is that its for aircraft that have asymmetric y axis. the F18n has about twice as much pull as it it does push. Whats currently happening is the pull side of the Y axis is being reduced instead of shifting the center point forward.

DDaedalus I dont believe so. So what I noticed today is that its for aircraft that have as...

kaltokri•10/8/24, 8:16 AM

The F/A-18C in DCS has no asymmetric y axis. I have that problem with the A-10CII if I use curves. And I've read the F-5 has the same problem. But F/A-18C in DCS works for me without any problem. But I use virtual end stops and axis resizing at the moment. But I will create a physical end stop soon.

VPS_Choki•10/8/24, 6:28 PM

so after adding force comp. my stick starts to oscillate on the x axis what can i do to go around that? i only get it when i put force comp im pretty new sorry the questions

NNumber481 I’d also try to verify it is/isn’t the in game trim. Does the 14 have trim posit...

Arew•10/8/24, 6:34 PM

Update on this issue - happened while not running Configurator but has not happened since cutting TelemFFB out (4-5 flights).

I/JG7_Moto•10/8/24, 7:18 PM

Is it possible to upgrade the motors in the Rhino? DCS WWII fighters , the stick gets real soft after a while dogfighting, and the fans turn ON. More powerful motors should help with tis issue.

II/JG7_Moto Is it possible to upgrade the motors in the Rhino? DCS WWII fighters , the stick...

TheAmazinGreat•10/8/24, 7:47 PM

Not possible in the stock housing, requires an upsized case. https://discord.com/channels/965234441511383080/1145651561578647582/1284569338996850828

Cynemi•10/8/24, 7:52 PM

Can someone explain what I need to tick to make hardware trim work in dcs, trying it out on the viggen and the stick moves the wrong way when I trim. VKB grip.

TTheAmazinGreat Not possible in the stock housing, requires an upsized case. https://discord.com...

I/JG7_Moto•10/8/24, 7:53 PM

Bummer, so will need to sell mine and buy a Monster Rhino , have you tried the stronger motors? worth it?

CCynemi Can someone explain what I need to tick to make hardware trim work in dcs, tryin...

Cynemi•10/8/24, 7:53 PM

Cant find it in the manual

CCynemi Can someone explain what I need to tick to make hardware trim work in dcs, tryin...

Col. Sanders•10/8/24, 7:59 PM

What do you mean hardware trim in the Viggen?

CCol. Sanders What do you mean hardware trim in the Viggen?

Cynemi•10/8/24, 8:02 PM

I mean, when I trim nose down, the stick travels backwards, and becuase everything is off center after trimming, the "autopilot" cant be engaged, since letting go of the stick will command nose up or down if you have used any trim

Col. Sanders•10/8/24, 8:02 PM

Sound like you trim bindings are backwards

Cynemi•10/8/24, 8:04 PM

They are good ingame, any way to flip them in the rhino sw then?

Col. Sanders•10/8/24, 8:06 PM

What else did you change in DCS or Vpconfig? This is not the normal usage. I just trim like normally and my stick follows

II/JG7_Moto Bummer, so will need to sell mine and buy a Monster Rhino , have you tried the s...

TheAmazinGreat•10/8/24, 8:09 PM

I have, but have never tried the standard Rhino to compare to. The regular 60/15 gear ratio of the monster makes it about 1.7x more torque than the standard Rhino but I recently upgraded to 72/15 which is just a hair over 2x the torque of the standard Rhino.

TheAmazinGreat•10/8/24, 8:10 PM

The Winger kits are in fact kits though, so you do have to assemble yourself. Plus buy the 86 series motors from Walmis.

CCynemi They are good ingame, any way to flip them in the rhino sw then?

TheAmazinGreat•10/8/24, 8:11 PM

Make sure if you are inverting your pitch axis that it is inverted in the VPForce configurator. And not inverted in DCS.

CCynemi They are good ingame, any way to flip them in the rhino sw then?

Col. Sanders•10/8/24, 8:18 PM

Able to fix it?

Cynemi•10/8/24, 8:19 PM

I tried the F4, there everything works out of the box. But for the viggen the stick moves the wrong way when trimming

CCynemi They are good ingame, any way to flip them in the rhino sw then?

Number481•10/8/24, 8:29 PM

1.) Make sure your axes move correctly in configurator. If one or both are backwards, invert them in configurator, not the sim.
2.) if the trim is backwards for an aircraft, invert the axis in the FF Tune for that axis. Pretty sure the F5 x axis needs this treatment, there are probably others I don’t know about.

NNumber481 1.) Make sure your axes move correctly in configurator. If one or both are backw...

Cynemi•10/8/24, 8:31 PM

What are we talking abouth ere ? FF tune? Is that Telem FFB?

Cynemi•10/8/24, 8:32 PM

Im reading something about inverting FFB axis in DCS. But I can not find any options for that in the game

Number481•10/8/24, 8:35 PM

That’s cause DCS retarded. You have to uncheck the “foldable view” in the controls binding, then you will see the FF Tune button

What do the "4-Way Hats" checkboxes on the Settings page in the FFB Configurator do? I have a TM F-1

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