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FFB Stick following the trim doesn’t work anymore (for me)

Hey, usually when I trim the F-4 the FFB Stick would follow. So if trim nose down for fast cruise, the sticks center position (or force free position) would move forward (quite a bit). However, that doesn’t work anymore. I can see that the trim hat inputs are registered and the bob weight indicat...

HHiob https://forum.dcs.world/topic/363077-ffb-stick-following-the-trim-doesnt-work-an...

Vertigo (VIV)•11/17/24, 10:01 AM

I dont have the F4, but for the F14 you have to enable this in DCS options / special / F14 / use FFB trim implementation

VVertigo (VIV)I dont have the F4, but for the F14 you have to enable this in DCS options / spe...

HiobOP•11/17/24, 10:43 AM

Unless I‘m blind (not impossible

) there is no such option in the F-4 special options. And I didn’t change anything there either from when it worked.
Does the trim following still work for you in the Tomcat?

walmis•11/17/24, 11:05 AM

Just tried free flight on F-4 - trim seems to work fine

walmis•11/17/24, 11:06 AM

Do you get changing center values ?

Wwalmis Just tried free flight on F-4 - trim seems to work fine

HiobOP•11/17/24, 11:07 AM

I assume you are using the latest beta versions of all software? Is this with or without TelemFFb running?

Wwalmis Do you get changing center values ?

HiobOP•11/17/24, 11:07 AM

let me check…

walmis•11/17/24, 11:07 AM

Yeah, without telemFFB, latest beta

HiobOP•11/17/24, 11:07 AM

gimme a sec

HiobOP•11/17/24, 11:09 AM

Computer rebooting to be sure. I enabled a deadzone in VP config. Might that be the issue?

HiobOP•11/17/24, 11:09 AM

walmis•11/17/24, 11:10 AM

That shouldn't affect it

HiobOP•11/17/24, 11:14 AM

HiobOP•11/17/24, 11:14 AM

No, the center value isn't changing

walmis•11/17/24, 11:15 AM

Do you have Override trim checked by any chance?

HiobOP•11/17/24, 11:16 AM

No not in the Profile I‘m using for the F4.

HiobOP•11/17/24, 11:17 AM

I have two basic profiles. One for fixed wing one for Helicopters, The latter has Trim and trim override enabled. The first doesn’t

walmis•11/17/24, 11:17 AM

Does trim work for other DCS modules?

HiobOP•11/17/24, 11:17 AM

As far as I can tell, no. But I‘m not exactly sure which module would be the best to test this.

walmis•11/17/24, 11:19 AM

SU-25T

Wwalmis SU-25T 🙂

HiobOP•11/17/24, 11:27 AM

No, doesn’t work either.

HiobOP•11/17/24, 11:33 AM

I‘m sure I messed something up on my end, but I can’t figure out what exactly…..

HHiob No, doesn’t work either.

walmis•11/17/24, 11:41 AM

Pushed a new beta firmware (b5). Found a single case when trim center could be stuck due to hw trim leftovers.

Wwalmis Pushed a new beta firmware (b5). Found a single case when trim center could be s...

HiobOP•11/17/24, 11:41 AM

Awesome, will try immediately!

Wwalmis Pushed a new beta firmware (b5). Found a single case when trim center could be s...

HiobOP•11/17/24, 11:53 AM

No, unfortunately no change. Sorry.

walmis•11/17/24, 11:59 AM

Can you test the center adjustment using fedit.exe outlined here? 🧰support

HiobOP•11/17/24, 12:01 PM

Wait, after re-connecting the USB it seems to work. Let me double check something.

HiobOP•11/17/24, 12:09 PM

@walmis It is working again! Thank you so much!

It worked after I plugged the Rhino in a different USB port. It kept working though after I plugged it in the original USB-hub again. I can think of two possibilities here. Either the logic board needed a 5V power cycle after the firmware update or somehow the order of how the devices were plugged in the Hub mattered. (I did some cable management lately, so the order may have changed).

geert5634•11/17/24, 12:31 PM

Thanks for the quick response! Problems wise: trim not working anymore (at all!) especially noticable off course in heli´s. But even F-18 didn´t work when telemFFB was active. Also busy with testing other device (MIGS) which apparently also had an issue when working together with the rhino. That was fixed with a software update from the migs side so I figured that was playing up again. Anyway, I´ll try the new firmware and disconnecting USB when I have some time later. However, would be nice to have at least to possibility to downgrade the firmware..

Balapan•11/17/24, 1:14 PM

Is there a way to roll firmware update back?

Balapan•11/17/24, 1:23 PM

also after firmware update started having issues with spring force applied momentarily while moving joystick in about center area. In the video clip you can see that sometimes spring force jumps very high for a split second.

BBalapan also after firmware update started having issues with spring force applied momen...

Number481•11/17/24, 1:48 PM

right click->properties on the EXE for the new configurator version. See if there is an option to unblock the file. This has happened to one person I know of for unknown reasons.

NNumber481 right click->properties on the EXE for the new configurator version. See if the...

Balapan•11/17/24, 1:53 PM

Thank you for an advice. I think I had issue with windows archive extract function. Once I used winrar to extract archive, configurator started working. Still having issues with jerking forces on the joystick. Seems like it happens when joystick crosses zero point on the axis.

geert5634•11/17/24, 1:56 PM

Flashed to the b5 firmware and all working great again, thanks Walmis!

Balapan•11/17/24, 2:00 PM

samples.csv1.1MB

BBalapan Thank you for an advice. I think I had issue with windows archive extract functi...

walmis•11/17/24, 3:14 PM

So yeah, found the issue, but you can fix it on your end, fix the belt position relative to the motor so the calibration is within the 0 .. 4096 range

Wwalmis Which problems?

Cynemi•11/17/24, 3:18 PM

If you are interested in critical issues related to I think firmware, my rhino keeps "crashing". Shutdown chime plays in the middle of flying, and I have to cycle the emergency stop to get it up running again.
Started after I updated the firmware + configurator + telemffb (to WIP version) in order to solve another issue, where I cant run telemffb more than like once, before the .exe stops working and I have to unpack the whole telemffb from the zip again in order for it to run.
My original issue wasnt solved by this so now I have both of these issues

Cynemi•11/17/24, 3:26 PM

Also, any fix for this issue on the configurator?
I keep having to reinstall so much software constantly because it just stops running, doesnt start, after a while. Both the configurator and telemffb...

CCynemi Also, any fix for this issue on the configurator? I keep having to reinstall so ...

walmis•11/17/24, 3:42 PM

Try maybe excluding telemFFB/configurator paths from windows defender?

Cynemi•11/17/24, 3:43 PM

They are

Wwalmis So yeah, found the issue, but you can fix it on your end, fix the belt position ...

Balapan•11/17/24, 3:49 PM

How to do that? I tried to set raw_x and raw_y values close to 0 and then put belt on with joystick in center position. Still same jittering

walmis•11/17/24, 3:55 PM

The best way is to reset calibration manually to min 0, max 4096. Apply settings. Enable spring force so it recenters the motors then put on the belt while everything is centered.

walmis•11/17/24, 3:55 PM

The raw values will be around 2000 when properly centered

walmis•11/17/24, 3:55 PM

Then after auto calibration the values will stay between 0 and 4096

CCynemi Also, any fix for this issue on the configurator? I keep having to reinstall so ...

walmis•11/17/24, 3:56 PM

Well this is new. What issue does the telemFFB have?

Wwalmis The best way is to reset calibration manually to min 0, max 4096. Apply settings...

Balapan•11/17/24, 4:01 PM

Thank you. This worked.

Wwalmis Well this is new. What issue does the telemFFB have?

Cynemi•11/17/24, 4:30 PM

The telemffb just does not start. running the exe does nothing, I get the loading spin thing on my cursor for a few fractions of a second, then its just a no start.

walmis•11/17/24, 4:33 PM

Feels like some runtime libraries are messed up

f14billy•11/17/24, 5:14 PM

Hi @walmis I sent you a DM regarding one of the limiters in my last order that was sent with the wrong angles. It was supposed to be Y22 and X16 and I received the standard 11 on both axis.

CCynemi The telemffb just does not start. running the exe does nothing, I get the loadin...

I/JG7_Moto•11/17/24, 6:10 PM

Right click on it, then click properties and tick unlock

Bruh'gdan•11/18/24, 7:06 PM

Hi everyone,
How can I amplify the default TelemFFB plane effects ? So basically what it is for Bf109 in Il.-2 but a notch more

Thx !

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