If I order the Rhino, is it possible to upgrade the motors in it by simply ordering the motors and p

If I order the Rhino, is it possible to upgrade the motors in it by simply ordering the motors and printing/cutting new sidewalls for them to fit, or is the box physically bigger for the larger motor flanges?

SSlavko Stanic If I order the Rhino, is it possible to upgrade the motors in it by simply order...

TheAmazinGreat•2/21/25, 1:20 AM

It’s not as simple as swapping the motors, the case is totally different for the larger flange size

TTheAmazinGreat It’s not as simple as swapping the motors, the case is totally different for the...

Slavko StanicOP•2/21/25, 1:31 AM

Ok I figured, thank you. Might have to just print one at that time then.

Fox_VR_•2/21/25, 9:04 AM

Good day all, I have a G940 running at the moment but I'm thinking about upgrading to a Rhino. Mainly flying modern Jets and Helicopters I'm not sure which kit I should take. Is the base kit enough when coming from the G940 or should I go to the medium-sized kit instead? Hope you guys have any first hand recommendations for me

FFox_VR_Good day all, I have a G940 running at the moment but I'm thinking about upgradi...

DL•2/21/25, 10:05 AM

Hi, I have the 86BLF04 motors fitted in my home made setup including rudder pedals. The torque is so great that I limit the master gain to 70%. My gear ratio is 3.6:1. I have never measured the torque produced at max levels. The other benefit is my motors never get hot, and therefore I have no need for fans. As an Ex PPL pilot and someone who is involved in building new flight sims for the military, one of the key benefits of the FFB is not just the feedback from control surfaces, but the subtleties of feeling stalls, buffeting, gear and flap travel etc.... One of the biggest positive impacts of using the FFB is Trim and Force Trim, they make flying even more immersive, and in some cases easier. If you are fighting stick pressures when you are not manoeuvring, you are probably not flying "correctly". Trimming was hammered into me in my PPL training by an ex-military instructor, and it makes flying more pleasurable and less tiring. Currently I am building a second identical setup for my son. However, I do not think you will lose much by buying the standard motors, plus they are cheaper if budget is an issue.

m2times_•2/21/25, 11:13 AM

what is the power socket on the rhino called? DC 5,5 ?

m2times_•2/21/25, 11:15 AM

5.5/2.5, found it

DDL Hi, I have the 86BLF04 motors fitted in my home made setup including rudder peda...

Fox_VR_•2/21/25, 11:16 AM

Thnx for the reply, I mainly use the FFB from my G940 for trimming so this is what I mainly want to upgrade. The G940 is too limited and too old now. I use also basshaker in my rig for all kind of effects wich works very very well and is super immersive, especially in VR

VPforceBot•2/21/25, 11:50 AM

:package:

RHINO #0914 Has Shipped!

VPforceBot•2/21/25, 11:50 AM

:package:

RHINO #0912 Has Shipped!

VPforceBot•2/21/25, 12:20 PM

:package:

RHINO #0916 Has Shipped!

VPforceBot•2/21/25, 12:20 PM

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RHINO #0915 Has Shipped!

VPforceBot•2/21/25, 1:26 PM

:package:

RHINO #0917 Has Shipped!

FFox_VR_Good day all, I have a G940 running at the moment but I'm thinking about upgradi...

YuchenYan•2/21/25, 2:29 PM

I have G940 too. The Rhino is a completely different level, even with the standard motor option.

DDL Hi, I have the 86BLF04 motors fitted in my home made setup including rudder peda...

m2times_•2/21/25, 3:58 PM

What's the difference between trim and force trim?

Mm2times_What's the difference between trim and force trim?

DL•2/21/25, 4:31 PM

I might get this wrong, so I will defer to any rotary pilot expert who corrects me.

In a fixed wing aircraft you normally trim a little at a time, eg you adjust a trim wheel or trim “hat” to get the control input trimmed so no more force is applied to keep the aircraft in a stable attitude. The more trim required, the more you have to adjust the trim wheel or trim “hat”.

Forced trim is found in certain helicopters. It is called “force trim” because even if you have a large amount of trim to adjust to remove your cyclic forces, it is just a single button press of the “Force Trim” button and takes immediate trimming effect. No need for lots of trim adjustments. There may be a similar function on some fixed wing aircraft, I do not know for certain, I am only aware of it being used in rotary aircraft.

EDIT: I should have added, that for both fixed wing and helicopters, trimming will remove control forces, therefore the control (Rudder/Yaw pedals, and Stick/Cyclic) will stay in the new position without you having to add an input if properly trimmed and in balanced flight. However, there are possibly exceptions to this as there are many ways an aircraft can trim out flying forces, and also how the control surfaces are linked to the control inputs.

After checking with a colleague who is a rotary pilot, some helicopters also have a trim hat similar to fixed wing.

Mm2times_What's the difference between trim and force trim?

Xaero Zero•2/21/25, 4:43 PM

same as DL above, i might be wrong but in my understanding:
- Trim: change the pitch/roll of aircraft without changing stick position
- Force Trim: change pitch/roll of aircraft with changing stick position with new center

Xaero Zero•2/21/25, 4:45 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1IBvfgSyU8
Force Trim vid

YouTubeAntti Ilomäki

Force trim in helicopters (Rhino and FFB in general)

For me this is one of the most useful features of FFB in simulators.

XXaero Zero same as DL above, i might be wrong but in my understanding: - Trim: change the p...

m2times_•2/21/25, 4:46 PM

from what I understand, force trim does NOT change anything control wise, it just changes the center

Mm2times_from what I understand, force trim does NOT change anything control wise, it jus...

Xaero Zero•2/21/25, 4:46 PM

correct, therefore changes pitch/roll )_

Fr4Ged•2/21/25, 4:57 PM

Force trim is holding your cyclic in place by electromagnetic clutches that you interrupt when holding the button. Aka you interrupt, move stick, release -> new center.

With trim he probably refers to the hat trimming where you move the new center by pressing the hat in a direction with the system moving the stick there.

esp803•2/21/25, 5:09 PM

@walmis just wanted to thank you for everything you've done. I recently completed a DIY with your motors and board... and it is fantastic. So, thank you for all your work!

Fox_VR_•2/21/25, 6:27 PM

I think I will go with standard motors, should be more than enough for me. Thnx for the input

Zrad•2/23/25, 4:15 AM

@Number481 I’m searching through the channel looking for photos/people using the virpil z-extension with their setup, are you still using it? what do(did) you like and dislike the most about it?

Bob Bushman•2/23/25, 10:22 AM

It simply brings the grip closer, so the base can be placed so the belt don't rub against my seat.

Damonjay[AusTac]•2/23/25, 3:03 PM

VPrhino owner #820 here. Oh my god this is amazing. Just plugged it in for the first time and I feel like a woman having her first experience with an electric vibrator. I’m never going back to the old ways, I’m forever changed

DDamonjay[AusTac]VPrhino owner #820 here. Oh my god this is amazing. Just plugged it in for the f...

Arno•2/23/25, 3:29 PM

I don't dare to ask how exactly you are using it.....

VRFGiPJP•2/23/25, 3:30 PM

Which profile to use when flying Falcon BMS, it has very limited set of FFB reaction like too high load and missile firing

VVRFGiPJP Which profile to use when flying Falcon BMS, it has very limited set of FFB reac...

Fierce_Fire•2/23/25, 4:59 PM

The F16 is a fly-by-wire aircraft which have little FFB in the first place, and then its also a force sensing stick which basically has no feedback. I assume there will be little you can do unless you make something with telemFFB

Bob Bushman•2/23/25, 5:08 PM

There are some basic effects, you can for example feel g's as you pull, with telemffb of course. And you can use a profile with significantly reduced throw range to make it feel real snappy.

VRFGiPJP•2/23/25, 5:19 PM

Oh, sorry I was using the Rhino for F-15C which has its own avonics. I use the other base for side stick planes.

VRFGiPJP•2/23/25, 5:29 PM

So, in my case, I can just manually load the DCS F-15C profile and use it as is, right?

BBob Bushman There are some basic effects, you can for example feel g's as you pull, with tel...

Anthony•2/23/25, 6:36 PM

I’d leave it working as a normal stick

Anthony•2/23/25, 6:37 PM

Reducing the range/throw of the stick really wouldn’t hold a candle to how a force sensing stick feels, regardless of ramping up resistance

Anthony•2/23/25, 6:38 PM

It would just make for a strange feeling which likely wears on the internal mechanics quite a bit, and limits your manoeuvrability in game

AArno I don't dare to ask how exactly you are using it.....

Damonjay[AusTac]•2/24/25, 5:08 AM

Rate my setup?

Arno•2/24/25, 6:42 AM

Moderator, I think that belongs in the suggestions section

Havebug•2/24/25, 7:06 AM

everyone gets the grip they deserve

AArno Moderator, I think that belongs in the suggestions section 🙂

Damonjay[AusTac]•2/24/25, 7:27 AM

A possibility to break out of the flight sim niche. Open new markets

DDamonjay[AusTac]Rate my setup?

TonyDarkZero•2/24/25, 7:44 AM

Those monitors don’t look lined up

red_one•2/24/25, 7:59 AM

any recommendations for how to best balance the forces now that I have a stick offset?

https://virpil-controls.eu/vpc-flightstick-z-extension.html

Flightstick Z-Extension

★ Designed for Space Sim Cockpits
★ "Z" Style Extension to Create your own Omni-Throttle
★ Premium All-Metal Construction
★ Adjustable Grip Angle

red_one•2/24/25, 8:00 AM

I'm watching https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSRmI5Bj0OE

YouTubeRotor - Sims

You Have To Get This Right on Your Rhino #forcefeedback

In this video I show you how to balance your rhino spring to work properly for the H145 and H160

red_one•2/24/25, 8:35 AM

i wish i could centre the stick. let go and have the machine sense the force required to keep it centered
and therefore the new centre of gravity

red_one•2/24/25, 8:35 AM

and then calibrate

red_one•2/24/25, 8:35 AM

the adaptive centering thing doesn't seem that accurate

VPforceBot•2/24/25, 12:47 PM

:package:

RHINO #0919 Has Shipped!

VPforceBot•2/24/25, 12:47 PM

:package:

RHINO #0920 Has Shipped!

TheAmazinGreat•2/24/25, 1:48 PM

I haven’t watched the video but also play with static force. I do t use any balance spring and only use static force

Bob Bushman•2/24/25, 2:29 PM

Same, with my z-extension and cm2 grip, only thing I've added is 6% static force on pitch.

VVRFGiPJP So, in my case, I can just manually load the DCS F-15C profile and use it as is,...

VRFGiPJP•2/24/25, 7:23 PM

Right?

ReapDaddy•2/25/25, 12:09 AM

DCS creates a profile for each iteration of controller, for each plane and cockpit postion. It will automatically use that profile whenever DCS detects that controller is active. You will want to save these profiles, one for each device\plane somewhere you can get to them. I use a folder inside of my saved games folder for this.

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