What's the difference between trim and force trim?
What's the difference between trim and force trim?
DI might get this wrong, so I will defer to any rotary pilot expert who corrects me.
In a fixed wing aircraft you normally trim a little at a time, eg you adjust a trim wheel or trim “hat” to get the control input trimmed so no more force is applied to keep the aircraft in a stable attitude. The more trim required, the more you have to adjust the trim wheel or trim “hat”.
Forced trim is found in certain helicopters. It is called “force trim” because even if you have a large amount of trim to adjust to remove your cyclic forces, it is just a single button press of the “Force Trim” button and takes immediate trimming effect. No need for lots of trim adjustments. There may be a similar function on some fixed wing aircraft, I do not know for certain, I am only aware of it being used in rotary aircraft.
EDIT: I should have added, that for both fixed wing and helicopters, trimming will remove control forces, therefore the control (Rudder/Yaw pedals, and Stick/Cyclic) will stay in the new position without you having to add an input if properly trimmed and in balanced flight. However, there are possibly exceptions to this as there are many ways an aircraft can trim out flying forces, and also how the control surfaces are linked to the control inputs.
After checking with a colleague who is a rotary pilot, some helicopters also have a trim hat similar to fixed wing.
In a fixed wing aircraft you normally trim a little at a time, eg you adjust a trim wheel or trim “hat” to get the control input trimmed so no more force is applied to keep the aircraft in a stable attitude. The more trim required, the more you have to adjust the trim wheel or trim “hat”.
Forced trim is found in certain helicopters. It is called “force trim” because even if you have a large amount of trim to adjust to remove your cyclic forces, it is just a single button press of the “Force Trim” button and takes immediate trimming effect. No need for lots of trim adjustments. There may be a similar function on some fixed wing aircraft, I do not know for certain, I am only aware of it being used in rotary aircraft.
EDIT: I should have added, that for both fixed wing and helicopters, trimming will remove control forces, therefore the control (Rudder/Yaw pedals, and Stick/Cyclic) will stay in the new position without you having to add an input if properly trimmed and in balanced flight. However, there are possibly exceptions to this as there are many ways an aircraft can trim out flying forces, and also how the control surfaces are linked to the control inputs.
After checking with a colleague who is a rotary pilot, some helicopters also have a trim hat similar to fixed wing.
Xsame as DL above, i might be wrong but in my understanding:
- Trim: change the pitch/roll of aircraft without changing stick position
- Force Trim: change pitch/roll of aircraft with changing stick position with new center
- Trim: change the pitch/roll of aircraft without changing stick position
- Force Trim: change pitch/roll of aircraft with changing stick position with new center
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Mfrom what I understand, force trim does NOT change anything control wise, it just changes the center
Xcorrect, therefore changes pitch/roll )_
FForce trim is holding your cyclic in place by electromagnetic clutches that you interrupt when holding the button. Aka you interrupt, move stick, release -> new center.
With trim he probably refers to the hat trimming where you move the new center by pressing the hat in a direction with the system moving the stick there.
With trim he probably refers to the hat trimming where you move the new center by pressing the hat in a direction with the system moving the stick there.
E@walmis just wanted to thank you for everything you've done. I recently completed a DIY with your motors and board... and it is fantastic. So, thank you for all your work!
FI think I will go with standard motors, should be more than enough for me. Thnx for the input
Z@Number481 I’m searching through the channel looking for photos/people using the virpil z-extension with their setup, are you still using it? what do(did) you like and dislike the most about it?
BIt simply brings the grip closer, so the base can be placed so the belt don't rub against my seat.
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AI don't dare to ask how exactly you are using it.....
VWhich profile to use when flying Falcon BMS, it has very limited set of FFB reaction like too high load and missile firing
FThe F16 is a fly-by-wire aircraft which have little FFB in the first place, and then its also a force sensing stick which basically has no feedback. I assume there will be little you can do unless you make something with telemFFB
BThere are some basic effects, you can for example feel g's as you pull, with telemffb of course. And you can use a profile with significantly reduced throw range to make it feel real snappy.
VOh, sorry I was using the Rhino for F-15C which has its own avonics. I use the other base for side stick planes.
VSo, in my case, I can just manually load the DCS F-15C profile and use it as is, right?
AI’d leave it working as a normal stick
AReducing the range/throw of the stick really wouldn’t hold a candle to how a force sensing stick feels, regardless of ramping up resistance
AIt would just make for a strange feeling which likely wears on the internal mechanics quite a bit, and limits your manoeuvrability in game
DRate my setup?
AModerator, I think that belongs in the suggestions section 
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TThose monitors don’t look lined up
Rany recommendations for how to best balance the forces now that I have a stick offset?
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Ri wish i could centre the stick. let go and have the machine sense the force required to keep it centered
and therefore the new centre of gravity
and therefore the new centre of gravity
Rand then calibrate
Rthe adaptive centering thing doesn't seem that accurate
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TI haven’t watched the video but also play with static force. I do t use any balance spring and only use static force
BSame, with my z-extension and cm2 grip, only thing I've added is 6% static force on pitch.
VRight?
RDCS creates a profile for each iteration of controller, for each plane and cockpit postion. It will automatically use that profile whenever DCS detects that controller is active. You will want to save these profiles, one for each device\plane somewhere you can get to them. I use a folder inside of my saved games folder for this.
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FMy grip is straight on and I’d like to readjust it so it’s more ergonomic…
BThere's an stl for that variant in the knowledge base channel, so you can print your own.
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SHi there,
Coming back to DCS after a long break, flying warbirds only at the moment.
Does anybody have a good setting to get the stick stiffening with increasing airspeed ?
Thanks
Coming back to DCS after a long break, flying warbirds only at the moment.
Does anybody have a good setting to get the stick stiffening with increasing airspeed ?
Thanks
VSo, I just export the profile for, say DCS F-15C then. So, how can I import it when I need it in some other sim? Thanks again
WFC Technologies were kind enough to lend me their line of grips for testing and support for the next firmware revision 
In the photo - NS-37, EVO and FC-35 grips.
Gotta say, the build quality feels pretty nice.
In the photo - NS-37, EVO and FC-35 grips.
Gotta say, the build quality feels pretty nice.
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FWhat is up with Lithuania and flight simming? Two manufacturers + VPForce 
WYeah, even the director himself delivered the grips, since he was travelling to Klaipeda. But he seemed to be in a hurry and didn't stay for a coffee
M@walmis have you gotten you’re hands on the new Virpil FlNKR grip or do you need a sample for updating the firmware?
WFLNKR update is already rolled out
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