Is there somewhere some documentation about the "Expert Settings" tab? I'm by no means an Expert, b

Is there somewhere some documentation about the "Expert Settings" tab?
I'm by no means an Expert, but I figured out that I need to fiddle with these settings to stabilize my Rhino in certain profiles. I do this via trial and error, because I have no idea what I'm doing. The first 4 have like "tool tips" the rest doesn't.

JJaeger Is there somewhere some documentation about the "Expert Settings" tab? I'm by n...

walmis•9/20/23, 6:22 AM

the LPFs are filters that reduce the bandwidth from respective controllers (Spring, damper, etc) signal going to the motors. The motor coils don't energize instantly, hence it's required to reduce the bandwidth to keep it stable.
Spring strength proportional damper is essentially damper force that you can adjust manually in Effect tab, but it's strength is automatically modulated related to the spring force gain, configured throw length, etc. i.e. the stiffer the spring the more the damper force is added.
So in short:
The damper LPF should be as high as possible, but too high will cause high frequency oscillations because the motors can't keep up with high frequency high amplitude torque requests and they will fail-safe.
The spring LPF + spring strength prop. damping - best be tuned to specific moment of inertia i.e. grip weight and extension length.

JaegerOP•9/20/23, 6:33 AM

Thank you. Reason I asked is, I have in some profiles a slight oszillation around center. If I stop it by holding the stick, and release it again, its fine but a slight touch will bring the vibration back. Wonder which would be the best parameter to conquer that.

walmis•9/20/23, 6:41 AM

That's the way to tune it, it should be resistant to such nudges. In any case try the defaults: 4Hz Spring, 8Hz damper, 100% Spring strength prop. damping

Battis•9/20/23, 8:57 AM

I can't seem to update my firmware. The stick works, shows in Win10, etc, but I get this:

Battis•9/20/23, 8:57 AM

Using Edge.

Battis•9/20/23, 8:58 AM

Disconnect/reconnect does not help. Power managent for USB disabled.

BBattis I can't seem to update my firmware. The stick works, shows in Win10, etc, but I ...

walmis•9/20/23, 9:25 AM

🧰support

Battis•9/20/23, 10:14 AM

No Joy

BBattis No Joy

walmis•9/20/23, 10:31 AM

Try rebooting maybe

walmis•9/20/23, 10:32 AM

Btw, you haven't changed this in the configurator?

Battis•9/20/23, 10:32 AM

Willdo. No.

Battis•9/20/23, 10:33 AM

Does it matter, whitch DIR to open the power shell?

walmis•9/20/23, 10:33 AM

No, just open as an administrator

Battis•9/20/23, 10:34 AM

Ok. I’ll try rebooting.

Battis•9/20/23, 12:37 PM

Great success!

mark turner•9/20/23, 4:34 PM

Sorry if I am being dumb....see the new 1016 configurator software is out, but where do you get the firmware?

amadeus•9/20/23, 4:36 PM

That same website where you download the configurator, acts as a firmware updater

amadeus•9/20/23, 4:37 PM

https://vpforcecontrols.com/usb/rhino/

mark turner•9/20/23, 4:40 PM

thank you

JJon (Bounty_V)https://discord.com/channels/965234441511383080/972180323787997255/9725922226608...

Thraxas79•9/20/23, 5:48 PM

in the showcase there are only the Board and the motors at the pictures, but at the FAQ it's mentioned "and wires for quick connection to test" so I would think all necessary connectors and wires are included but I'm not shure, even less after your answer
biggest problem would be the 5pin mini-din cable to connect the Warthog grip, because I could only find 4,6 and 9 pin to buy

TThraxas79 in the showcase there are only the Board and the motors at the pictures, but at ...

Subsonic•9/20/23, 6:25 PM

There you go.....
These two together and a soldering iron....you are good to go.

https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/cui-devices/MD-50PL100/500828

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09SX5LBRG/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Keszoox XH 2.54mm Male & Female JST Connector Kit with 22AWG Pre-Cr...

Keszoox XH 2.54mm Male & Female JST Connector Kit with 22AWG Pre-Crimped Cables Wire,(Total 90Pcs) 2/3/4/5/6/7/8/9/10 Pin Housing JST Adapter Cable Connector（5 Colors 150mm）

Number481•9/20/23, 6:40 PM

here's an additional source where I got mine... https://www.showmecables.com/by-category/connectors-adapters/din/5-pin-din

ShowMeCables

5 Pin DIN Connectors | Standard & Mini DIN

5 Pin DIN Connectors. Standard DIN and Mini DIN both available. Straight and panel-mount connector options. Available in 180°, 240°, 270°, and 360° styles in both male and female. Plastic and metal shell casing options. Same Day Shipping. Hassle-Free Returns. Lifetime Warranty. Live Support.

Simon2012•9/20/23, 8:38 PM

I'm getting this error trying to update the firmware
Any idea ?

Simon2012•9/20/23, 9:55 PM

Ah, I just saw the same problem was already mentioned above, I'll try the given solution tomorrow.

amadeus•9/21/23, 4:10 AM

with the firmware/software update, are these the new recommended settings for LPF?

amadeus•9/21/23, 4:10 AM

or are there some new defaults that would be recommended

Virus•9/21/23, 11:21 AM

Hi, I just received the winwing adapter. But the button presses are not detected. I checked multiple times and the connection with the base seems good to me.
however i tested putting the debug grip.
And i see FFs only

Virus•9/21/23, 11:22 AM

as seen in this image

Virus•9/21/23, 11:35 AM

I think i solved it...I had to unscrew the little spacer below the base of the adapter, maybe with it the pins didn't enter their holes.

Boeing757sim•9/21/23, 2:09 PM

Any tips of how to wire the grip board ? There are 6pins on the grip board and 5 on the main board - which pin do I not wire up

Simon2012•9/21/23, 2:40 PM

So I did a quick test after attaching the base, firmware up-to-date, calibration done, nothing else modified.
FFB activated in DCS, power on (big red know on).
20 cm extension and TM F-18 grip.
And I'm like : where is my force feedback ?

The forces are so light, it feels like my old base (Virpil T-50CM2) with the lightest springs and tension tuned to the minimum...
Turned the black knob all the way to the right, it's slightly better but so so light compared to any real plane I ever flew (from small to big ones, props and jets).

So what did I miss ?

I tested with the Spitfire, Tomcat, Mirage F1, Harrier.
The Spit and the Tomcat are nice, but the forces are too light, and not increasing/decreasing with an increase/decrease of speed (the stick should become stiffer the faster you go and should become more "sluggish" when you slow down)

VVirus I think i solved it...I had to unscrew the little spacer below the base of the a...

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𝔐𝔬𝔯𝔭𝔥𝔦𝔫𝔢 💀•9/21/23, 2:43 PM

Great! Is it also recognizing the grip now?

BBoeing757sim Any tips of how to wire the grip board ? There are 6pins on the grip board and 5...

Subsonic•9/21/23, 2:48 PM

SSimon2012 So I did a quick test after attaching the base, firmware up-to-date, calibration...

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𝔐𝔬𝔯𝔭𝔥𝔦𝔫𝔢 💀•9/21/23, 2:48 PM

Try some of the other profiles 📙knowledge-baseRhino Profile Sharing (though you probably have to recalibrate for your stick) . Primarily you need to increase Friction, Inertia, and Damper to get a heavier feeling. Feel free to experiment.

Boeing757sim•9/21/23, 2:52 PM

@subsonic1748 Thanks a lot

SSimon2012 So I did a quick test after attaching the base, firmware up-to-date, calibration...

Number481•9/21/23, 2:53 PM

post screenshots of your configurator settings (both settings and effects tabs)

BBoeing757sim @subsonic1748 Thanks a lot

Subsonic•9/21/23, 3:01 PM

@walmis maybe pin the diagram in support sir?

NNumber481 post screenshots of your configurator settings (both settings and effects tabs)

Simon2012•9/21/23, 3:03 PM

I'm not in front of the computer right now, but I did not modify anything there, so it's the "factory settings"

�𝔐𝔬𝔯𝔭𝔥𝔦𝔫𝔢 💀Try some of the other profiles https://discord.com/channels/965234441511383080/1...

Simon2012•9/21/23, 3:03 PM

I'll have a look, thanks

SSimon2012 I'll have a look, thanks

walmis•9/21/23, 3:55 PM

By my calculations, you should get ~2.2kg of force at max with a 40cm lever (15cm Rhino + 20cm ext + grip) .

Formula: F_kg = 0.9 / lever in meters

Formula: F_kg = 0.9 / lever in meters

You can stiffen up the the spring by reducing the throw range by using "axis scaling" feature or using spring mapping tool.

MashedPotato•9/21/23, 4:12 PM

updated firmware and software, set grip to the realsimulator 64 button, still not seeing the hat presses light up in the vpforce software

�𝔐𝔬𝔯𝔭𝔥𝔦𝔫𝔢 💀Great! Is it also recognizing the grip now?

Virus•9/21/23, 4:27 PM

It was not easy as to plug it in...but now it works

MMashedPotato updated firmware and software, set grip to the realsimulator 64 button, still no...

walmis•9/21/23, 4:50 PM

Interesting, will have to double check.

Wwalmis Interesting, will have to double check.

MashedPotato•9/21/23, 4:59 PM

might have something to do with how RS sends those inputs to windows. They come off a second virtual device

walmis•9/21/23, 5:02 PM

But if the presses were visible with the debug grip profile, it should work. Can you recheck the debug grip profile which bytes change on button presses?

MashedPotato•9/21/23, 5:02 PM

yeah, one sec

MashedPotato•9/21/23, 5:06 PM

[11:05:48.706] FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FB 04 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
[11:05:48.908] FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF 04 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
[11:05:49.109] FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF 04 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
[11:05:49.309] FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF 04 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
[11:05:49.511] FF FF FF FF FF FF FF F7 04 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
[11:05:49.712] FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF 04 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
[11:05:49.912] FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF 04 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
[11:05:50.114] FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF 04 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
[11:05:50.315] FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF 04 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
[11:05:50.516] FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF 04 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
[11:05:50.717] FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF 04 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
[11:05:50.917] FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FD 04 00 00 00 00 00 00 00

MashedPotato•9/21/23, 5:06 PM

The FB, F7, and FD are the 3 hats

MashedPotato•9/21/23, 5:06 PM

in debug, the grip constantly sends the FF, not sure if that's just the poll rate, or what

harry•9/21/23, 5:07 PM

hi @walmis , i am still loosing ffb. But at least sometimes it seems to be only the spring force while the others are still ok. Do you have further Ideas?

Is there somewhere some documentation about the "Expert Settings" tab? I'm by no means an Expert, b

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