Hi! I'm encountering a strange behavior on my Rhino, occurs with both aircraft I tried this morning

Hi! I'm encountering a strange behavior on my Rhino, occurs with both aircraft I tried this morning (DCS Tomcat and Hornet). It's almost like effects from TelemFFB are full force, but I get no resistance (compared to yesterday) when pushing/pulling the stick. Would this ring a bell? I did not remember modifying the settings since yesterday, tried unplugging both USB and power brick. Pot is 100% and set to Master Gain.

Ttmz Hi! I'm encountering a strange behavior on my Rhino, occurs with both aircraft I...

walmis•2/12/24, 12:32 PM

Can you show you configurator settings? Did you run telemFFB during these tests ? Is the spring ok when out of the sim ?

Wwalmis Can you show you configurator settings? Did you run telemFFB during these tests ...

tmzOP•2/12/24, 12:33 PM

Spring is typically OK only in the sim, not really a spring effect out of the sim

walmis•2/12/24, 12:34 PM

It's not connected

tmzOP•2/12/24, 12:34 PM

Sorry

tmzOP•2/12/24, 12:34 PM

Just realized that after posting

tmzOP•2/12/24, 12:35 PM

tmzOP•2/12/24, 12:35 PM

walmis•2/12/24, 12:37 PM

Try importing the default Rhino configuration in configs/Rhino-defaults.vpconfconfigs/Rhino-defaults.vpconf

tmzOP•2/12/24, 12:51 PM

Works like out of the box, didn't realize that the defaults file was there, thanks!

tmzOP•2/12/24, 12:51 PM

Actually just turned on TelemFFB, and without it, spring effect, with it no spring effect

Ttmz Actually just turned on TelemFFB, and without it, spring effect, with it no spri...

Number481•2/12/24, 1:30 PM

Are you loading any vpconf profile via TelemFFB? It doesn’t do anything to affect the spring forces on the joystick axis in DCS.

tmzOP•2/12/24, 1:35 PM

OK, just found it on the TelemFFB KB, it is this issue : https://discord.com/channels/965234441511383080/1093558100713279508/1203549616189214784

tmzOP•2/12/24, 1:35 PM

No joy with vJoy, disabled it and it works!

Anthony•2/13/24, 2:53 AM

The WinWing adapter, can that be used on Virpil’s extensions?

I’m considering a WW stick, but with my current setup I can’t really do without the VPC Z extension, hence the question.

Anthony•2/13/24, 2:56 AM

So it’d be:

WW grip
+
WW adapter
+
VPC Z extension
+
Rhino

(Best way I can describe it without a poor attempt at using MS Paint)

RRAFFT Hey guy I just put the Winwing F18 stick on the VPforce with the winwing adapter...

Aileron_Hubbard•2/13/24, 3:19 AM

any chance you got simapp pro working with your rhino? im using the f16ex grip and trying to get it to work as well thanks!

Floki•2/13/24, 9:14 AM

Hi, I'm building a grip. I would like to know the diagram of the mini dim 5 pin connector of the VP Force base to connect it to the controller inside the grip. Thank you very much.

mark turner•2/13/24, 10:06 AM

Is it possible to make VP config & VP telem load an individual profile automatically for different modules?

FFloki Hi, I'm building a grip. I would like to know the diagram of the mini dim 5 pin ...

walmis•2/13/24, 10:10 AM

Here's the pinout for the TM/Virpil/VPforce interface

Mmark turner Is it possible to make VP config & VP telem load an individual profile automatic...

walmis•2/13/24, 10:11 AM

Yes, see here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YL5DLkiTxlaNx_zKHEYSs25PjmGtQ6_WZDk58_SGt8Y/edit#heading=h.aydqa1fz6my5

Google Docs

VPforce Rhino Manual

Wwalmis Here's the pinout for the TM/Virpil/VPforce interface

Floki•2/13/24, 10:11 AM

Thank you very much

Wwalmis Yes, see here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YL5DLkiTxlaNx_zKHEYSs25PjmGtQ...

mark turner•2/13/24, 10:38 AM

Nice, did not realise we have a spiffy new manual! will get reading!

mark turner•2/13/24, 10:58 AM

May have a muddle going on.....seem to have 2 folders called VPforce-TelemFFB-wip-dbdbb26f. They have different contents and dates, see screenshots

mark turner•2/13/24, 10:59 AM

One, which is the newest does not have any config.user file....?

mark turner•2/13/24, 10:59 AM

Which one do I need?

mark turner•2/13/24, 11:39 AM

May I also ask ( been reading the manual...) in what circumstances would you use the endstops function & axis rescale and why? The manual expalins what they do, but not why and how you might use them. thanks

Mmark turner May I also ask ( been reading the manual...) in what circumstances would you us...

walmis•2/13/24, 11:43 AM

Axis scaling : for example to stiffen controls, to mimic F-16 force sensing somewhat.
Endstops: to (soft) limit travel, the same purpose as the hardware throw limiter, but less reliable.

Swoop•2/13/24, 11:45 AM

Hey all - sorry if this is a daft question. I'm nearly at the point where I need to buy a DIY kit and was wondering what the difference between all the options are. Any advice on which I should purchase?

Mmark turner May have a muddle going on.....seem to have 2 folders called VPforce-TelemFFB-wi...

Number481•2/13/24, 11:52 AM

the one in your downloads folder is the new file structure

Wwalmis Axis scaling : for example to stiffen controls, to mimic F-16 force sensing some...

mark turner•2/13/24, 2:52 PM

Great, I already have the throw reducer fitted, so basically, I dont need to worry about using either of those 2 options? thanks

NNumber481 the one in your downloads folder is the new file structure

mark turner•2/13/24, 2:53 PM

Thanks 481, do I need to copy over my user ini file to the downloads location? then delete the other?

Mmark turner Thanks 481, do I need to copy over my user ini file to the downloads location? t...

Number481•2/13/24, 3:02 PM

suggest just creating a "VPForce-TelemFFB" folder somewhere and moving the contents of the folder in your downloads directory to it. You can place your config.user.ini file in the directory with the new version. It will offer to import the settings into the new config structure (see 4.2.1.2 in the manual).

mark turner•2/13/24, 3:30 PM

OK, have done all that. I have 3 different vpconf files, for different modules (F14, F5 and F18) To enable automatic running of each when I use that module, I went to System/Edit Sim class defaults 7 offline models. I then in the 3rd column dropdown selected all the F14 variants there ( there are 3..?) and scrolled to the bottom to configurator file. I checked this box, then I highlighted the line and used the browse button to navigate to the location of the saved config files ( in my case in "configs" in my main VPforce configurator file location) . On selection, I was returned to the GUI, but there was no where I could see that link was made. Was that the correct procedure for linking a profile to a particular module? Assuming that is correct, I can then in the same GUI edit the Telem FFB effects for that module to differing values using the slider after highlighting each one....correct?

mark turner•2/13/24, 3:34 PM

Final query ( I hope!) Some of the configs I mentioned aboved were from a buddy. He has some quite different values in the "expert settings" section. I enclose a picture of mine, which I think ( was a while ago now) Walmis recommended. Could I ask that someone take a look at my values and tell me if they are correct? And if not what changes you would recommend and why. many thanks

mark turner•2/13/24, 3:47 PM

I ask as these are different from those in the default config as well as those of my buddy.

Mmark turner OK, have done all that. I have 3 different vpconf files, for different modules ...

Number481•2/13/24, 3:50 PM

In the defaults/class editor, after browsing for the file you need to hit the "update value" button, at which point you will see the value updated in the table...

The process is the same for editing any value via that interface.

Number481•2/13/24, 3:55 PM

you can also make changes while you are loaded in the aircraft via the settings tab in TelemFFB. However, you are limited to the active aircraft here

mark turner•2/13/24, 4:00 PM

Thanks, thats clear for using telemFFB effects. What about changing configs in the main VPforce config app for module specific ?I just ran DCS and used the F14, but it did not change the profile being used by vP force config from the default one I had loaded. I used the process as described above.....

mark turner•2/13/24, 4:01 PM

if you have 5 minutes, it may be quicker and easier if we jumped in the voice channel?

mark turner•2/13/24, 4:01 PM

save all the pesky typing...!

Mmark turner Thanks, thats clear for using telemFFB effects. What about changing configs in t...

Number481•2/13/24, 4:07 PM

tied up for another hour or so but can after that

mark turner•2/13/24, 4:17 PM

great, thanks will ping you in an hour

AAnthony The WinWing adapter, can that be used **on Virpil’s extensions?** I’m consideri...

Anthony•2/13/24, 5:06 PM

@walmis any idea on how that’d work out?

mark turner•2/13/24, 5:09 PM

Just to be 100% clear here as well, I am talking about automatically changing config files to match the aircraft you are flying in VPForce config, NOT the per module settings for the TelemFFB effects.

Mmark turner Just to be 100% clear here as well, I am talking about automatically changing co...

Number481•2/13/24, 5:10 PM

works the same way... free now if you want to jump in voice channel

mark turner•2/13/24, 5:10 PM

cool, gimme 2 minutes willl be there

Mmark turner cool, gimme 2 minutes willl be there

Number481•2/13/24, 5:15 PM

I've tried 3 different mics on 2 different devices.. issue must be in between or on your side

AAnthony @walmis any idea on how that’d work out?

walmis•2/13/24, 5:54 PM

It would work technically, but I'm not sure about the mechanical connection. If the Z extension has a free cable i.e. not a rigid connector then it would be not a problem, otherwise it would be easy to break the WW adapter. In other words if you could mount a TM grip on the Z extension it should be good to go.

mark turner•2/13/24, 6:06 PM

I use a Rhino with virpil Z extension and a hobby built grip with a thrustmaster type mount, it all works fine.

Aileron_Hubbard•2/13/24, 7:50 PM

For those of you with a winwing grip on your rhino and still using simapp pro will you please DM me and tell me how you got it to work please?

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