MHey, does anyone know how long the backorder is for #13 on the store? This little guy
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BWalmis said yesterday he expected them in first week of may. So couple of weeks 
MOh, that's not bad! I already put myself on the backorder list, I'm getting this regardless if I can get my virpil on the base or not. There's no way in hell the 3d printed version would survive a 2nd joystick mounting in the future
Ait depends on if the definition of two weeks is the same in hardware and software industry
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WWelp, let’s see what the hype is about
Cnot fair
ODoes he do a feedback rudder pedal kit for the MFG crosswinds ?
PGoogle Docs
Enter your details here, so you can enter the queue for the VPforce MFG FFB Kit.
Once the queue progresses I will get in touch with further details.
The kit contains:
86BLF03 or 86BLF04 FFB motor
Large gear + 14T motor pulley
Belt HTD5M 400
Motor mount + fasteners
Assembled wiring
Toe brake connectors to VPforce board
Power supply - 19V 9.5A 18...
Once the queue progresses I will get in touch with further details.
The kit contains:
86BLF03 or 86BLF04 FFB motor
Large gear + 14T motor pulley
Belt HTD5M 400
Motor mount + fasteners
Assembled wiring
Toe brake connectors to VPforce board
Power supply - 19V 9.5A 18...
OHoly shit. Looks like next weeks wages are also gone lol. Thanks
Jwhats the difference between 86BLF04 and the 86BLF03 motors? if you buy without the motor do you need anything else besides the motor to complete the retrofit?
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faq
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TCan the FP force rhino replicate the pitch detent of a center stick?
TNot to the same extent, but a measurable increase in force before allowing futher stick movement
JWas there a kit supposed to be made? I printed a kit for mine and it works amazing.
MThat is one thing that FFB doesn't do very well.
MYou can edit the gain curves in the software, but too much opposing force in the middle and you'll get oscillations.
V:package: 
RHINO #0507 Has Shipped!
RHINO #0507 Has Shipped!V:package: 
RHINO #0508 Has Shipped!
RHINO #0508 Has Shipped!
TOk thank you
OGuys this is going to sound stupid but does the kit assembled just bolt onto my pedals I already have. ?
It says full assembled kit, my MFG crosswinds have the damper fitted.
Do I have to remove it all and fit the kit ?
It says full assembled kit, my MFG crosswinds have the damper fitted.
Do I have to remove it all and fit the kit ?
WYou wouldn't need a damper anymore, FFB does the damping
IWhat exactly does the FFB pedals replicate in airplanes? The braking ? and do pedals get stiffer with speed? a bit of rpm vibration?
IWhat about toe brakes, any resistance added to them? Usually pedals are too soft and hence makes braking too sensitive.
AI don't think there's any ffb in the toe brakes in any design I've seen
Bwouldn't it make more sense, especially engineering wise to use a loadcell for those ?
IIn real planes the stick is what gives you feedback in flight, but rudder pedals not much, they get stiffer with speed, that is all, no pedal buffeting when stalling, only stick, so if they can have the toe braking power giving more resistance that would be great, but feeling the stall, and many of the other effects in the pedals would be a bit unrealistic in the case of airplanes.
Myes, some high end pedals have load cells on the brakes, like https://www.virtual-fly.com/shop/controls/ruddo-plus
Virtual Fly | Professional Flight Simulators and Controls
Step on for real with our Hall Effect Contactless Ruddo Pedals. Designed to simulate the minimum effort exerted in real aircraft. Ready to fly like a pro?
Pthe hype is real, what do you fly?
WI fly ‘em all man - but mostly helicopters and warbirds. Cold War aircraft quite a bit, less so modern stuff.
MI'm the same and focus on older gen modules vs fly-by-wire. FFB is all that and a bag of chips. First thing I noticed was the visual/audio queues built into DCS to inform the player they are pushing max AOA etc occur later than what you feel with FFB. It isn't a huge gap, but it is significant. It is something you have to feel (no pun intended) to understand. I have been inefficiently over controlling modules for literally decades thinking I was riding the edge only to discover I was robbing myself of turn performance the whole time.
WThat’s a good point - honestly the audio/visual cues in DCS seem to be ‘hey that’s beyond the limit’
WEven though, as you say, in reality you’d be able to feel the edge through flight controls
MNot having to stare at the AOA meter in the Tomcat is a game changer as well. That is one module that is night and day with FFB
WThe nature of the aircraft, that makes sense… and the fact that HB seems to develop features for FFB. Very much looking forward to the F-4’s FFB implementation.
WVery excited! Now just have to wait for mounts to arrive in 3 weeks lol
WPenalty I pay for going Monstertech
MSame. Pulled the trigger on the Rhino for the F4 (and Tomcat). the best part is the F-4 was nicknamed the Rhino back in the day
WLol awesome you’re all set then.
BQuestion from a noob: does the rhino base also includes the motors and electronics, as in, a ready to add stick and fly solution, or does one have to add those to the base?
FIf you buy the complete base, yes
FThe diy kit is only the motors and electronics to allow people to make their own
OSo the ready assembled bit just bolts onto my MFG pedals.
Sorry for sounding like a dumb idiot, it’s my first attempt at making my rig as realistic as possible.
Can’t wait for the stick to arrive.
Sorry for sounding like a dumb idiot, it’s my first attempt at making my rig as realistic as possible.
Can’t wait for the stick to arrive.
TThat’s awesome man I’ll eventually pick that one up for sure.
My father was a Navy F4 instructor so it’s got a special place in my heart as well.
My father was a Navy F4 instructor so it’s got a special place in my heart as well.
ZI assume that FFB is disabled when in a dual seater while not having the controls? Don't want this to happen...
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/LCm1Q8cK4l0
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/LCm1Q8cK4l0
MWe will know when the F4 finally releases in "two weeks"
ZWhat about modules that exist right now?
MI haven't read anything about other 2-seaters in DCS with both players using FFB. It is pretty small user base. I'd imagine thanks to the Rhino (and DIY kits), we will find out at some poijnt
