B@walmis DM sent
JOn warbirds where the centering force is variable based on force on the control surfaces, is it still spring force gain that controls how strong they are?
JIL2 does only recognize a limited number of devices. As far as I remember only the first 8 or so... You could try to test with the rhino alone to check if this is your problem.
AThanks. I don’t know what I am doing wrong. I will try again
AUmmm. Maybe that is the problem. Thanks
DSo, dumb question - I bought the aluminum head for my Rhino. I removed the cover and unscrewed the original 3rd printed head and the 5-pin din female connector, but cannot for the life of me figure out how to get the head off to install the new one. Are there instructions somewhere for this procedure? Not a rush, I just rescrewed everything then ziptied the cover and reattached it to the base and all is fine for now.
SHi, I've got an issue with the delivery of my item, wondered if you could help? TNT app is telling me they attempted delivery yesterday and I wasn't at home so they left a note with a number to call to arrange delivery. But I have no note, they must have attempted delivery at the wrong address so I'm not able to contact them to arrange delivery ....
HHi folks, is there some kind of information on how the LPFs work in conjunction with different gain settings? I seem to need dial them down a lot to get rid of adverse effects when I increase the gain to much. Is there a negative side to reducing the filters?
HOr in other words, how do the filters actually affect the FFB-effects?
IAny ideas for the least painful way to fix this? How are the ports attached to the housing? just friction from the bracket?
Removed the bracket thing after the port was already loose.
Removed the bracket thing after the port was already loose.
I
INot 100% sure how the port has come loose, but my theory is that the USB cable probably acted as a lever.
N@Dudeman @Col. Sanders - I came up with a suitable workaround I think. LMK if you want to put a test version through its paces and I can provide a test build later on today. I tested it, but the extent of my testing was joining a bunch of MP servers and just nose-diving into the ground over and over 
(Note, the same workaround also stops effects playing after a crash in SP before you exit to the menu)
(Note, the same workaround also stops effects playing after a crash in SP before you exit to the menu)
CI would be happy too. I won't be able to test today most likely but can tomorrow.
DYeah jll give her a spin too
TNice I’m starting to play IL2
WIf you have access to a 3D printer I can send you the .stl file. It's an easy fix. Otherwise you can fill the order form for a replacement.
ICreated an order with a link to the Discord convo
IUnfortunately don't have access to a 3D printer at the moment
NPM sent. You too, @Col. Sanders
JHi, I think I need some help with my new diy ffb pedals in DCS.
If the pedals are plugged in when DCS starts I am loosing all spring forces on my stick! The periodic effects are still working (when running telem-ffb), but the spring forces are missing. The pedals themselves are working fine, with spring and periodic effects.
If I start DCS with the pedals unplugged the stick is back alive again and working fine. When I plug in the pedals now and do a "rescan devices" in DCS (and restart telem-ffb) both, pedals and stick are working perfectly with spring and periodic effects. But until I start DCS again.
I think this is a problem within DCS itself (and not telem-ffb or the ffb devices). Does anybody else experience this? How do you ffb pedal owners out there handle it?
Any insights welcome!
If the pedals are plugged in when DCS starts I am loosing all spring forces on my stick! The periodic effects are still working (when running telem-ffb), but the spring forces are missing. The pedals themselves are working fine, with spring and periodic effects.
If I start DCS with the pedals unplugged the stick is back alive again and working fine. When I plug in the pedals now and do a "rescan devices" in DCS (and restart telem-ffb) both, pedals and stick are working perfectly with spring and periodic effects. But until I start DCS again.
I think this is a problem within DCS itself (and not telem-ffb or the ffb devices). Does anybody else experience this? How do you ffb pedal owners out there handle it?
Any insights welcome!
NWhat module(s) are you flying?
TelemFFB overrides everything on the pedals. What do you experience when you start and run DCS without TelemFFB running?
Can you post screenshots of your configurator settings and effects tabs for both your joystick and pedals?
TelemFFB overrides everything on the pedals. What do you experience when you start and run DCS without TelemFFB running?
Can you post screenshots of your configurator settings and effects tabs for both your joystick and pedals?
JTestet with Fw190A8 and F-18. Without TelemFFB it is the same behavior, only without the periodic effects of course. Stick goes limp without spring force. Thats why i thought it's not related to TelemFFB. Will post screenshots tomorrow.
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NI dont see anything abnormal.
To be clear, the normal experience when starting DCS is as follows:
- During startup, FFB device will go limp as DCS sends a "reset all effects" command when it is loading.
- In DCS menu, spring will continue to be limp
- Depending on the module
- when you get to the 'fly now' screen, the stick may remain limp or may go to center at full spring force
- after loading into the aircraft, again, it depends on the module but typically...
- Warbirds
- On the ground - Stick will be limp as no air is flowing over the control surfaces
- at speed/in the air - Spring force will tighten up as you increase speed
- FBW Jets
- spring force should be constant
- Helicopters pretty much always have spring enabled except when pressing the trim release button or in the UH-1 with the force trim switch disabled
Are you, by chance, running a local Dedicated Server instance of DCS? (There's a bug that I dont think got fixed where the server ceases control of FFB if it is started after the game instance)
To be clear, the normal experience when starting DCS is as follows:
- During startup, FFB device will go limp as DCS sends a "reset all effects" command when it is loading.
- In DCS menu, spring will continue to be limp
- Depending on the module
- when you get to the 'fly now' screen, the stick may remain limp or may go to center at full spring force
- after loading into the aircraft, again, it depends on the module but typically...
- Warbirds
- On the ground - Stick will be limp as no air is flowing over the control surfaces
- at speed/in the air - Spring force will tighten up as you increase speed
- FBW Jets
- spring force should be constant
- Helicopters pretty much always have spring enabled except when pressing the trim release button or in the UH-1 with the force trim switch disabled
Are you, by chance, running a local Dedicated Server instance of DCS? (There's a bug that I dont think got fixed where the server ceases control of FFB if it is started after the game instance)
JYes, what you describe is exactly what I experience when having only the stick plugged in. However when the pedals are also plugged in, the stick stays limp even in flight. No dedicated server involved. Very strange and it looks like I am the only one with this problem. I understand that DCS should be sending the stick forces to all attached devices, correct? And telemffb is disabling them for pedals and collecitve and introduces its own spring forces. But it seems that DCS isn't sending the forces to my stick when the pedals are connected. The only way to make it all work together is to start DCS with the pedals unplugged, connect them when DCS is up and do the "rescan devices" thing.
Thanks for your time already spent looking into it!
I'll do some more experimenting and look for clues and let you know if I find some more hints.
Thanks for your time already spent looking into it!
I'll do some more experimenting and look for clues and let you know if I find some more hints.
NYa, thats a weird one. You are correct. Without TelemFFB, pedals should exactly mimic what your joystick X axis does from an FFB perspective. It will get the same commands from DCS for spring force as well as (aileron\cyclic-x) trim position.
When you re-plug the joystick after DCS has started, DCS never sends the "reset all effects", so your spring remains active. I would guess though that you don't get dynamic forces in a warbird when doing it that way?
When I see weird stuff like that, I always recommend a DCS slow repair. Usually it doesn't help, but its always worth a shot :).
When you re-plug the joystick after DCS has started, DCS never sends the "reset all effects", so your spring remains active. I would guess though that you don't get dynamic forces in a warbird when doing it that way?
When I see weird stuff like that, I always recommend a DCS slow repair. Usually it doesn't help, but its always worth a shot :).
NYou can also look at the debug tab in configurator and see what is actually being set on the joystick in a given situation.. This is sitting in the menu after a game start. You can see the spring effect is stopped (grey text). You can also see the "reset" in the log, which came from DCS during startup.
NAnd here is the same session after loading into the F18. You can see the spring effect (ID:5) is now enabled with the gain (coefficient) set to 4055
JYes, this is how the loaded effects looks with unplugged pedals. When pedals are plugged in the sticks spring effect exists but stays greyed out. Didn't pay attention to the reset command, will do later.
S@walmis do you feel comfortable sharing the STL file for the winwing adapter? unfortunately a badly trimmed aircraft during simulator loading managed to swing my joystick around and the poor plastic snapped in half. all of the electronics seem to be intact, though.
edit: after a surprising amount of hope offered by... superglue, sadly i realized it seems i did somehow manage to break the electronic. guess i'll have to do a new order...
let this be the lesson that WE PRESS THE RED BUTTON WHEN WE'RE DONE USING RHINO
edit: after a surprising amount of hope offered by... superglue, sadly i realized it seems i did somehow manage to break the electronic. guess i'll have to do a new order...
let this be the lesson that WE PRESS THE RED BUTTON WHEN WE'RE DONE USING RHINO
WWhich part did break? The threaded ring ?
SYeah, the connection between the threaded ring and the bottom larger base snapped in half
SDoes anyone know why the VP Rhino with the VPC T50 grip might have CONSTANT false button presses that make binding everything impossible. i get this weird map of button presses (like 25, 26, 27) etc with every button so I can't bind in dcs etc
TYou have to select T50CM2 and then it shows the brake (pinky trigger) as an Axis.
In the Rhino software you can then calibrate the Axis.
When you plug in a T50Mongoose and select “generic” it shows some erratic button presses so just select for the CM2.
Works totally fine.
Yep I have the Mongoose T50CM as well and this is the workaround.
The only actual difference was they replaced our thumb button with a Hat and they added click Hats where we have 4 ways.
So you just bind it as normal and good to go (the unused inputs don’t register).
In the Rhino software you can then calibrate the Axis.
When you plug in a T50Mongoose and select “generic” it shows some erratic button presses so just select for the CM2.
Works totally fine.
Yep I have the Mongoose T50CM as well and this is the workaround.
The only actual difference was they replaced our thumb button with a Hat and they added click Hats where we have 4 ways.
So you just bind it as normal and good to go (the unused inputs don’t register).
SThank you! I will try this trick, i did have it selected with the correct grip but i dont think i’ve calibrated it with the brake trigger too. Just getting everything ready for the Phantom!
TFun fact they used to affectionately call the F4 the Rhino
Happy flying!
Happy flying!
TOh and yes I’m waiting too.. Reading the manual as we speak 
SIf you want a wingman you know where i am!
TThe Tactical Air NetworkIan D'Costa
Few aircraft in history have flown to the same level of distinction as McDonnell Douglas’ F-4 Phantom II. It was the jet that ushered in a new age of fighter aviation, proving itself on the f…
TRead the article and you see about half way down where is says what airmen used to call her.
(Yep we’re driving Rhino’s with a Rhino)
(Yep we’re driving Rhino’s with a Rhino)
TSo it’s really only fitting that we have a wing of Rhino drivers.
TMaybe someone should save that somewhere..
It’s very fitting the plane nicknamed the Rhino is from an era before FBW so it’s going to take full advantage of “the Rhino” FFB systems…
I’m pretty excited for this one for sure
It’s very fitting the plane nicknamed the Rhino is from an era before FBW so it’s going to take full advantage of “the Rhino” FFB systems…
I’m pretty excited for this one for sure
TAnd yeah she’s a match made in Heaven to the VPforce Rhino.
I already know this one is going to be great to fly with FFB
I already know this one is going to be great to fly with FFB
TSee above and yep we’re going to build an entire wing of Rhino drivers!
SI’m going to read that now. And yeah! I’ve been excited for the Phantom ever since I got my Rhino. I knew it was going to be perfect for it, especially with Heatblur as the devs!
T@walmis @Subsonic (Protomaker) see what I posted above.
You guys know the F4 was affectionately known as “the Rhino”
And like.. a bunch of folks with FFB will be flying phantom II (aka the Rhino)
You guys know the F4 was affectionately known as “the Rhino”
And like.. a bunch of folks with FFB will be flying phantom II (aka the Rhino)
TSo see we’re going to be Rhino’s 
flying… Rhino’s!! 
flying… Rhino’s!!