what do the LPFs do? I haven't touched any of the advanced stuff in the sidebar yet
what do the LPFs do? I haven't touched any of the advanced stuff in the sidebar yet
Nyeah, no problem with motor while energized, max master gain and spring force about 65% spring force
Nit is difficult to turn, but I was able to get it to the same points in the axis and both the outward movement and rebound are smooth
Nit must be the belt or some issue with sizing on either pulley then
HLow Pass Filters. They prevent undesirable resonances with the effects. For example spring gain. Depending on the length of your extension, the weight of your grip piece and the gain setting. The stick can become a pendulum that violently throws from one side to the other when left alone instead of centering...
Or with too much friction, you may feel the stick vibrating in your hand even without moving it, etc.
The adverse effects can be manifold.
There's a LPF for every effect.
First I would deactivate every Effect except spring and see what happens. If you still have the grinding, change the LPF gradually and see if it has a positive effect.
You can always go back to default. If it gets better, re-introduce one effect after another and do the same if.
In general - friction, inertia and so on should be used sparsely.
Btw. can you post a picture of your settings?
Or with too much friction, you may feel the stick vibrating in your hand even without moving it, etc.
The adverse effects can be manifold.
There's a LPF for every effect.
First I would deactivate every Effect except spring and see what happens. If you still have the grinding, change the LPF gradually and see if it has a positive effect.
You can always go back to default. If it gets better, re-introduce one effect after another and do the same if.
In general - friction, inertia and so on should be used sparsely.
Btw. can you post a picture of your settings?
Nhere's the settings
HAny custom curve on the spring gain?
Nnah. I'm not a vpforce config power user 
HUnrelated: Your calibration values are a bit off. I don't think this causes the problems, but it shouldn't go into the negatives. In neutral position the raw values should be around 2000 on each axis.
Nyup, usually is. I've been doing a lot of tinkering with the belts as part of the grindiness issue, so it's a bit off at the moment. Belts are coming in today actually
HI would recommend to remove the belts, set the calibration manually to 0-4096, let the motor center and re-attach the belts. Then do a proper calibration.
Hnever mind
NInteresting, didn't know this method. Only knew the centering tool method......which I've been doing without the centering tool frustration galore
frustration galoreHWell, I don't know if Walmis would approve that - it is certainly not "by the manual", but it works and makes mounting the belt without messing the position up much more easy (of course the rhino must be powered and the spring gain activated)
NDear all, quite newbie’s questions.
How does the configurator works? My main sim is the Condor and it has native FFB support. How the configurator and the potentiometer besides kill switch work? Does the configurator setting override sim’s FFB signals?
I feel subtle buffeting on stalling. Is it possible to strengthen vibration at buffeting through the configuration software?
And more, what about TelemFFB for? I don’t know I can use it for the Condor.
How does the configurator works? My main sim is the Condor and it has native FFB support. How the configurator and the potentiometer besides kill switch work? Does the configurator setting override sim’s FFB signals?
I feel subtle buffeting on stalling. Is it possible to strengthen vibration at buffeting through the configuration software?
And more, what about TelemFFB for? I don’t know I can use it for the Condor.
NGenerally speaking, the configurator utility is used to set the max capabilities and characteristics of the Rhino.
Condor is not supported by TelemFFB. There is a limited amount of telemetry available from Condor, but it is really not enough to be able to implement much of anything with TelemFFB.
To your question about the buffeting in condor. Generally, any effect that "shakes" is a Periodic type effect. Therefore, increasing the periodic effect slider in Configurator will increase the force for that effect type overall.
- The sliders on the settings tab set the max intensity for any of the 6 effect types. There is also a master gain control. No effect that is commanded by a game or app will be able to exceed the value that is configured for the applicable slider. The slider acts like a factor. So if you have spring set at %50, and a game sets the spring effect to %80, the resultant force will be
0.8 * 0.5which is %40 of what the true max capability of the Rhino is. - The settings on the effects tab are used to generate basic effects on the Rhino when there is no game or app commanding FFB events. When a game or app starts an effect, these are overridden by those commanded from the game/app unless you have "Sticky" enabled. If you have "sticky" enabled for an effect type, the Rhino will ignore those sent by a game and keep the one defined in the Effects tab active.
- The potentiometer can be bound to any of the effect type sliders or the master gain slider. It simply allows you to further adjust the value within the set slider value without having to open the configurator tool. Its most common to have it connected to either Master Gain or Spring.
Condor is not supported by TelemFFB. There is a limited amount of telemetry available from Condor, but it is really not enough to be able to implement much of anything with TelemFFB.
To your question about the buffeting in condor. Generally, any effect that "shakes" is a Periodic type effect. Therefore, increasing the periodic effect slider in Configurator will increase the force for that effect type overall.
Psorry for changing orders but I found that shipping method is changed to lp express from fedex priority. is it fast enough?
WIt's a bit slower than FedEx, ~7 days, if you wish I can quote FedEx, but its price is about twice.
Pgot it, paid already.
Psince another parts will be arrived 7-10days after, might be okay.
KI love my Rhino, but in DCS when flying A-10CII it reacts weird. In normal flight it pulls upwards all the time.
At full speed I have to trim down at maximum. I don't have this in F/A-18C & F-16C.
With the Virpil Base it is working fine.
I know it is intended to have this forward offset. But this trim issue makes the combination of Rhino + A-10CII unuseable.
Can I change the behaviour somehow?
At full speed I have to trim down at maximum. I don't have this in F/A-18C & F-16C.
With the Virpil Base it is working fine.
I know it is intended to have this forward offset. But this trim issue makes the combination of Rhino + A-10CII unuseable.
Can I change the behaviour somehow?
KA friend of mine has the same problem in the A-10C.
KThere seems to be a strange interaction between the axis curve setting in DCS and force feedback.
If I set the curve setting of the axes on the A-10C in DCS to 0, it will no longer pull upwards.
I usually fly with a curvature of 20 - 25, which helps a lot for Air to Air refueling.
I had a very similar effect in the KA50 when trimming. It always seems to occur when the axis is shifted in the neutral position.
If I set the curve setting of the axes on the A-10C in DCS to 0, it will no longer pull upwards.
I usually fly with a curvature of 20 - 25, which helps a lot for Air to Air refueling.
I had a very similar effect in the KA50 when trimming. It always seems to occur when the axis is shifted in the neutral position.
N@Hiob i've intentionally set my Y axis belt tension almost as low as it can go (motor closer to pulley) without losing grip. It does help make the grinding less noticeable at the grip, but at the belt it is about the same and belt tension cannot solve the issue completely.
NUnfortunately I did not read, and Amazon said next thursday for the belts, not this thursday 
so back into downtime the rhino goes
so back into downtime the rhino goes
NThanks a lot for your clear explanation. Now I can setup my own configuration.
SI think you want to have all your Rhinos axis curves at zero in DCS. Adjustments should be made in the Rhino software. Any adjustments in DCS will mess with the FFB.
KSure. But the FFB Software does not have curves atm. I hope it will be implemented: https://discord.com/channels/965234441511383080/1098318539426889799
HI doubt that different belts or pulleys will solve the problem if I‘m honest.
Hsure it does…..?? you can set custom gain and strength curves in the configurator!
Nmaybe i'm just being optimistic here. But if it's not the belts or the pulley sizing on either end then that leaves me with 0 alternative explanations
Nunless it's to say that vpforce motors are not capable of running up to even 60% of max spring force. Which I somehow feel isn't the case, judging from what others are running here
Nand pulley sizing also doesn't make much sense, unless every single person following protomaker/gadroc just never uses spring force past 50% ever
Noptimism is pretty much all I have at this point. I can't keep sinking time and money into this thing if there aren't even potential solutions I can pursue
WHave you tried spraying some silicone lube where the belt meshes with the pulley?
WMost likely the WarBrd grip plug pin(s) doesn't reach and make contact in the Rhino socket, have you pushed all the way in? Let me know if this persists, I can send you a replacement socket.
AYes - really extended out of the grip and pushed fully home. Same with a RealSimulator grip
AIts the second WarBrd grip too
Wso the TM grip works, but others not?
Ni don't have spray, but I have some superlube. Should I try putting a little on? But I thought the belt was not supposed to slip on the pulley, would that not exacerbate it
Wif it's silicone based then ok. Don't worry, with the correct tension lube wouldn't cause any issues.
Nwhat I have is just a tube of superlube 92003. It's advertised as silicone lubricating grease. Sounds like it would work?
HYou can also move the center point by altering the calibration values. I don't know what exactly you want to achieve, but I'm confident that it can somehow be achieved with the configurator.
HYou have new belts and pulley incoming anyway - so I would give it a try if I was you.
NI put some on the pulley and spread it around a bit. Didn't make any difference.
HJust a thought - how much current draw does the motor show when the grinding occurs?
WFrom the video, it definitely sounds like a belt/pulley meshing
Ncurr_x and curr_y?
Nthat is the idea, but I'm not sure where I would go from there. To a different tooth # motor pulley? I'm just following what @Subsonic (Protomaker) 's guide prescribes. afaik no one else following that guide has dealt with this before. The other gimbal creaking type issues I can find plenty of troubleshooting solutions for, but not this belt issue