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It’s just bad code by modern standards
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’s just bad code by modern standards
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Pez
we've had computers for about 1/1000th of humanity's existence
K
Kyle Gospo
•
7/8/24, 12:35 AM
and everything is already fucked beyond repair
P
Pez
•
7/8/24, 12:35 AM
there is no feasible way to try and make progress match the breadth of human intelligence and hardware will always be behind because we haven
't spent 20
,000 years building it
H
halva
•
7/8/24, 12:35 AM
i don
't have a separate terminal sitting on my desk while the actual computer is in another room
P
Pez
there is no feasible way to try and make progress match the breadth of human int...
M
Mcromae
OP
•
7/8/24, 12:36 AM
Ok
, leaving the real and entering the philosophical and hypothetical but sure
M
Mcromae
It’s just bad code by modern standards
H
halva
•
7/8/24, 12:36 AM
yeah and writing sites like it
's the 90s would be a bad practice these days
H
halva
•
7/8/24, 12:36 AM
xd
M
Mcromae
Ok, leaving the real and entering the philosophical and hypothetical but sure
P
Pez
•
7/8/24, 12:37 AM
moore
's law is philosophical and hypothetical
P
Pez
•
7/8/24, 12:37 AM
computers being outdated in five years is just fact
M
Muko Tabi
•
7/8/24, 12:37 AM
if I open 2 firefox windows it would be so lag in x11
M
Mcromae
OP
•
7/8/24, 12:37 AM
It is
, you
’re the one who mentioned not expecting new software to run on 10 year old hardware
M
Muko Tabi
if I open 2 firefox windows it would be so lag in x11
M
Mcromae
OP
•
7/8/24, 12:37 AM
Always ran fine on my system
P
Pez
computers being outdated in five years is just fact
M
Mcromae
OP
•
7/8/24, 12:37 AM
That
’s moores law
M
Mcromae
OP
•
7/8/24, 12:37 AM
And no it
’s not
P
Pez
•
7/8/24, 12:38 AM
"moore
's law is dead
!
"
M
Mcromae
OP
•
7/8/24, 12:38 AM
Yep
M
Mcromae
OP
•
7/8/24, 12:38 AM
Tell me how much faster a smart phone built today really is from one built 5 years ago
P
Pez
•
7/8/24, 12:38 AM
>your decade old hardware mysteriously became shit for no reason
M
Mcromae
OP
•
7/8/24, 12:38 AM
In a meaningful way
M
Muko Tabi
•
7/8/24, 12:38 AM
fine
=
/
= laggy
M
Muko Tabi
fine =/= laggy
M
Mcromae
OP
•
7/8/24, 12:38 AM
Doesn
’t lag
M
Muko Tabi
•
7/8/24, 12:38 AM
it works but in a very annoying way
P
Pez
•
7/8/24, 12:38 AM
it
's just a psyop and software developers are actually gaslighting you into buying new hardware
, i
'm sure that
's it
P
Pez
•
7/8/24, 12:39 AM
moore
's law is just a way to try and rationalize this but ultimately doesn
't make sense
P
Pez
it's just a psyop and software developers are actually gaslighting you into buyi...
M
Mcromae
OP
•
7/8/24, 12:39 AM
Ahh yes
, be sarcastic and ridicule
M
Mcromae
OP
•
7/8/24, 12:39 AM
F
&
#
^ edge cases
M
Mcromae
F&#^ edge cases
K
Kyle Gospo
•
7/8/24, 12:39 AM
the official posiiton of the KDE SIG is that any X11 issue is closed
+ won
't fix
K
Kyle Gospo
•
7/8/24, 12:40 AM
our position is that we will remove X11 from our package lists by F41
, and then close
+won
't fix
P
Pez
•
7/8/24, 12:40 AM
too much effort tbh
K
Kyle Gospo
•
7/8/24, 12:40 AM
X11 is dead
K
Kamquat
•
7/8/24, 12:40 AM
Poor X11
.
P
Pez
•
7/8/24, 12:40 AM
you should leave it in packages but let it stay broken so people dont complain about no x11
P
Pez
•
7/8/24, 12:40 AM
they complain about broken x11 instead
:hahasuffering
:
P
Pez
you should leave it in packages but let it stay broken so people dont complain a...
K
Kyle Gospo
•
7/8/24, 12:41 AM
I
'd rather they layer it and then open an issue so I can close
+ won
't fix it in complete confidence by virtue of the package being there in
rpm-ostree status
rpm-ostree status
M
Muko Tabi
•
7/8/24, 12:41 AM
I can even screenshot the glitchiest in x11
M
Mcromae
OP
•
7/8/24, 12:41 AM
And yet
, programmers I know who code shit in like Haskell for satellites and stuff need it and can
’t run Wayland
M
Mcromae
And yet, programmers I know who code shit in like Haskell for satellites and stu...
K
Kyle Gospo
•
7/8/24, 12:41 AM
that is what XWayland is for
P
Pez
•
7/8/24, 12:41 AM
they can run literally any other distro if this is a problem
K
Kyle Gospo
•
7/8/24, 12:41 AM
which is not going away
, just as pipewire
-pulse isn
't going away
M
Mcromae
And yet, programmers I know who code shit in like Haskell for satellites and stu...
K
Kamquat
•
7/8/24, 12:41 AM
They
'd also likely not be running
bazzite
to do so
K
Kamquat
Poor X11.
H
halva
•
7/8/24, 12:41 AM
X11 has served surprisingly fine for being a stop gap measure for setups that no longer even exist anymore
K
Kyle Gospo
that is what XWayland is for
M
Mcromae
OP
•
7/8/24, 12:41 AM
It
’s broken
P
Pez
•
7/8/24, 12:41 AM
supporting haskell developers isn
't our mission here LMFAO
M
Mcromae
It’s broken
K
Kyle Gospo
•
7/8/24, 12:42 AM
"it
's broken
" he says on the distro that plays games entirely in XWayland
K
Kyle Gospo
•
7/8/24, 12:42 AM
there are also fully featured nested x11 compositors you can use
K
Kyle Gospo
•
7/8/24, 12:42 AM
I will not entertain this
P
Pez
•
7/8/24, 12:42 AM
i want to
"play elden ring without screen tearing
"
P
Pez
they can run literally any other distro if this is a problem
M
Mcromae
OP
•
7/8/24, 12:42 AM
No I can
’t
, that
’s right up there with saying
“if you don
’t like it here move
”
P
Pez
•
7/8/24, 12:42 AM
not support 80s software
H
halva
X11 has served surprisingly fine for being a stop gap measure for setups that no...
K
Kamquat
•
7/8/24, 12:42 AM
I
've been using X11 since it was Xfree86
. It
's about time it got put out to pasture
. It
's kludges on top of hacks on top of patches at this point
.
M
Mcromae
And yet, programmers I know who code shit in like Haskell for satellites and stu...
H
halva
•
7/8/24, 12:42 AM
what does haskell even have to do with windowing protocols what
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