store config means that's the default config that the rhino will load & use, so even if you don't tu

store config means that's the default config that the rhino will load & use, so even if you don't turn on the config app the rhino will use the stored profile by default

PPiNKSH!T store config means that's the default config that the rhino will load & use, so ...

142nd_Bama•7/26/24, 1:30 PM

That’s what I was thinking

Sslowmover I can not understand how F4E fly. i mean i pull stick aft and always it counter...

LeLv30_Superbus•7/26/24, 1:37 PM

I know it's unlike anything else I've flown. Bobweights and bellows maintain pitch stability in F-4E and HB modelled it. The neutral trim position moves around based on airspeed (bellows) and g (bobweights). Whether you need to trim nose down or nose up depends on what's happening to your airspeed. When it increases, to maintain level flight you trim nose down and vice versa. It's normal that you are trimming it pretty much all the time. You don't even think about it after a while.

LLeLv30_Superbus I know it's unlike anything else I've flown. Bobweights and bellows maintain pit...

slowmover•7/26/24, 1:37 PM

So this is normal? THis is they way it should work?

PPiNKSH!T check for double bindings??

slowmover•7/26/24, 1:38 PM

i think i am okay

LeLv30_Superbus•7/26/24, 1:39 PM

They say you trim the real thing pretty much the whole time. The pitch stability system is not classified if you want to know more.

LeLv30_Superbus•7/26/24, 1:42 PM

The beauty of the thing (for us) is that we don't have to think about trim. We feel it in our grip hand and it comes naturally.

LeLv30_Superbus•7/26/24, 1:42 PM

I have no idea how sprung joystick owners can fly F-4E - especially in combat

LeLv30_Superbus•7/26/24, 1:44 PM

Big part of the difficulty is the placing of the AoA indicator, I just can't see it during dogfights

LeLv30_Superbus•7/26/24, 1:44 PM

(I'm in VR)

LLeLv30_Superbus Big part of the difficulty is the placing of the AoA indicator, I just can't see...

buzzbomb•7/26/24, 1:59 PM

use the audio cues and feel

LLeLv30_Superbus I have **no idea** how sprung joystick owners can fly F-4E - especially in comba...

RoboGeoff•7/26/24, 3:51 PM

My first thought after trying the F14 again.

142nd_Bama•7/26/24, 7:45 PM

Any suggestions as to why when I try to recalibrate my axis one of them is 38xx in center as opposed to close to 2000?

amadeus•7/26/24, 8:22 PM

you probably need to remove the band on that axis and get it closer to numerical center and put the band back on

amadeus•7/26/24, 8:24 PM

the pro tip i learned from someone else on here -- with the band off, manually set axis min to 0, and axis max to 4096, then set 100% spring, apply those settings, then while carefully trying to keep the joystick perfectly vertical, add the band back on, which should get you a pretty decent middle around the numerical middle of the motor range

amadeus•7/26/24, 8:25 PM

then after that, re-calibrate the min/max values for the axis and you should be good to go

Aamadeus you probably need to remove the band on that axis and get it closer to numerical...

142nd_Bama•7/26/24, 9:20 PM

That’s what I just did but I don’t understand why it’s not setting the center value to 2048 when recalibrating? I think everything is working ok but seeing the center seems to do nothing. Unless I’m doing something wrong. I’m following the protomaker build guide as I did the diy unit

amadeus•7/26/24, 9:20 PM

center is automatically computed between min and max

amadeus•7/26/24, 9:21 PM

i wouldn't worry about it lining up exactly halfway between 0 and 4096. what you ultimately care about, is that your moveable range does not extend below 0 and above 4096

Aamadeus i wouldn't worry about it lining up exactly halfway between 0 and 4096. what you...

142nd_Bama•7/26/24, 9:22 PM

Makes sense!

amadeus•7/26/24, 9:22 PM

(talking about the raw_x/y values here)

142nd_Bama•7/26/24, 9:22 PM

It was exceeding it until I moved the motor manually

amadeus•7/26/24, 9:22 PM

yeah, that's what i figured when you mentioned the center being so high

142nd_Bama•7/26/24, 9:31 PM

Now to hopefully figure out how to get a Constant Spring effect instead of a progressive type effect

amadeus•7/26/24, 9:36 PM

what are you trying to accomplish?

Aamadeus what are you trying to accomplish?

142nd_Bama•7/26/24, 9:55 PM

Have it act like a mag brake. The way it is now is more progressive, soft around center and “spring” gets stronger the farther out you go. I want it linear, same force over the entire range, primarily around central trimmed position though.

142nd_Bama•7/26/24, 9:56 PM

I think I can accomplish this via curve

amadeus•7/26/24, 9:56 PM

hmm, you could mess with spring gain most likely to accomplish this

amadeus•7/26/24, 9:56 PM

not sure how well it would work in practice

LeLv30_Superbus•7/26/24, 9:57 PM

sounds to my untrained ear what you describe is a constant force not spring force

amadeus•7/26/24, 9:58 PM

constant force is only 1 force in one direction, what i belive bama wants is still something that acts like a spring, in that it centers

amadeus•7/26/24, 9:58 PM

but the force is always the same and not stronger as you move out

LLeLv30_Superbus sounds to my untrained ear what you describe is a **constant** force not spring ...

142nd_Bama•7/26/24, 9:58 PM

Yes but with the ability to recenter

142nd_Bama•7/26/24, 10:00 PM

The couple min I had earlier looked like the spring gain curve would accomplish this, essentially the motors should always have the same amps

LeLv30_Superbus•7/26/24, 10:01 PM

Be careful if you play with a constant force - I just just set it to 50% and went to effects, set a static force and it almost hit me in the nuts - hard

142nd_Bama•7/26/24, 10:01 PM

The reason I want this is for rotary aircraft

LeLv30_Superbus•7/26/24, 10:03 PM

If I had a cut-out in my seat, I wouldn't be here typing away happily

1142nd_Bama The reason I want this is for rotary aircraft

amadeus•7/26/24, 10:18 PM

what aircraft/sims are you planning to fly?

Aamadeus what aircraft/sims are you planning to fly?

142nd_Bama•7/26/24, 10:25 PM

Dcs, mostly helicopters

amadeus•7/26/24, 10:26 PM

are you just not happy with the force feedback they are giving you? or are you just attempting to re-create the ideal experience outside of the game, for the game?

amadeus•7/26/24, 10:27 PM

i would say Apache and Kiowa both have pretty great FFB support, and you can use TelemFFB to refine it if necessary (can't speak for the other heli's tho)

amadeus•7/26/24, 10:30 PM

i.e. -- i personally wouldn't recommend fucking with spring gain for those modules

142nd_Bama•7/26/24, 11:16 PM

All the effects and ffb are very nice, but I want a better “grab” at the central position. One reason is because I use a warthog stick in a 200mm ext so it flops around pretty easily. I did the spring balance thing and that helps but it’s sooo light in the center, even with springs high

Aamadeus i.e. -- i personally wouldn't recommend fucking with spring gain for those modul...

142nd_Bama•7/26/24, 11:17 PM

amadeus•7/26/24, 11:19 PM

oh yeah, 200mm with a heavy stick like that could be problematic, do you have spring gain cranked up?

amadeus•7/26/24, 11:19 PM

(also making sure if you have the pot dial for spring gain, that it too is up)

amadeus•7/26/24, 11:20 PM

reason i ask, is because out of the box apache for me is very strong centering

amadeus•7/26/24, 11:20 PM

i do have a heavy-ish grip (alpha prime) but no extension, and most likely not as heavy as the warthog

amadeus•7/26/24, 11:21 PM

another thing you could try is adding some damping force too

Reed•7/26/24, 11:21 PM

This is what i have been battling with and the boing issue, but thats sorted as best as it can be with increasing damper and fine tuning friction on teleffb

Aamadeus oh yeah, 200mm with a heavy stick like that could be problematic, do you have sp...

142nd_Bama•7/27/24, 12:21 AM

I messed with the spring in the “settings” tab, I’m still somewhat confused as to what the difference in setting page, effect % and telemffb are….

store config means that's the default config that the rhino will load & use, so even if you don't tu

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