Does anybody out there who flies in DCS or Il2 sturmovik uses ffb joystick in Multi Player servers?

Does anybody out there who flies in DCS or Il2 sturmovik uses ffb joystick in Multi Player servers? I mean can anybody be competitive against real players especially while trying to shoot at an experienced player?

SamNFTY•8/28/24, 1:20 PM

I'd say that, depending on the plane, you should be at the advantage as you can actually feel what the plane is doing and can react quicker

Anthony•8/28/24, 1:47 PM

I’ve pondered that

Anthony•8/28/24, 1:48 PM

You’d have an advantage in feeling more of the plane like Sam says, but on the whole I think FFB is likely to put you at a disadvantage in competitive PvP scenarios

Anthony•8/28/24, 1:50 PM

Spring base players can throw their stick around quickly and make full deflections, only limited by the strength of the springs they themselves have chosen

Anthony•8/28/24, 1:51 PM

If you try throwing your stick around using an FFB base like that, you’ll probably break it quite soon

Alighierian•8/28/24, 1:51 PM

Chances are it comes down to your exact settings.
If you have heavy stuff, for example, I can see it getting more tiring, and faster.

Relatively light settings? Either equal, or slightly better (because you can feel the effects etc).

Not having feedback can mean you can throw the bird around. It can also mean you throw it into a problematic situation faster

Anthony•8/28/24, 1:53 PM

Personally I like FFB for the same reason that I mainly do TvE in MP: it’s the additional feel of realism and immersion

Anthony•8/28/24, 1:56 PM

Air quake isn’t fun or immersive to me personally, but if I were to do it I’d tune down the spring strength on my Rhino so I could actually keep up in the “stick deflection race” without having to worry about breaking anything

Ddgiatr Does anybody out there who flies in DCS or Il2 sturmovik uses ffb joystick in Mu...

Bob Bushman•8/28/24, 2:02 PM

I'd say if you are good you will be good, if not, well it's not going magically bring skills.

Ddgiatr Does anybody out there who flies in DCS or Il2 sturmovik uses ffb joystick in Mu...

Col. Sanders•8/28/24, 2:19 PM

100% an advantage if you fly the plane like it's meant to. As in using proper tactics and techniques. You will be able to keep your head outside the cockpit knowing what your plane is doing by feel.
I've found that any maneuver that a non ffb stick has an advantage at is typically a last ditch effort and means you already most likely lost the fight.

CCol. Sanders 100% an advantage if you fly the plane like it's meant to. As in using proper ta...

Ogre•8/28/24, 2:36 PM

This, the biggest advantage ffb gives you is feeling how your plane is reacting to your flying without having to look at your instrument panel especially in scenarios where you’re at that pre stall speed. I wish there were some non diy rudder ffb options to help with feeling when your aircraft is slipping or skidding.

HHrEple Any way to tell if our rhino base will fully support the coming virpil flanker g...

Spelljammer1•8/28/24, 3:00 PM

Walmis said yes, and he sounded quite keen on it.

AAnthony Air quake isn’t fun or immersive to me personally, but if I were to do it I’d tu...

dgiatrOP•8/28/24, 3:15 PM

In my case i alrrady have bass
Shakers to inform me if i am for example near stall, so if i get it right : the ideal settings
for beeing competitive with ffb stick in M.P. would be to tune it so lightly as to permit fast stick movements but at the same time to feel as much as possible of the effects that ffb can offer. Is that right?

AAnthony Air quake isn’t fun or immersive to me personally, but if I were to do it I’d tu...

dgiatrOP•8/28/24, 3:17 PM

What is TvE in M.P?

Ddgiatr In my case i alrrady have bass Shakers to inform me if i am for example near st...

Prometheus [Prom]•8/28/24, 8:52 PM

you get much better feedback from ffb stick on stalls, your fingers being more sensitive than your bum

OOgre This, the biggest advantage ffb gives you is feeling how your plane is reacting ...

lolof1•8/28/24, 8:57 PM

Yes it’s true ,the FFB VPForce it’s a game changer in simulation !

DARRYL•8/28/24, 9:24 PM

I assume that aerodynamic force feedback via the stick could be useful to develop a feel for max rate of turn airspeed (while watching opponent across the circle), despite no stall shakes in that regime. Looking forward to finding out some day.

Austringer•8/29/24, 3:02 AM

I was thinking about it, is there any reason to FFB pedals if you don't fly warbirds?

Col. Sanders•8/29/24, 3:17 AM

Helos, instantly switch between spring centering or not. Not sure if it's implemented yet or will be in games down the road but force trim

Austringer•8/29/24, 5:39 AM

DCS has helo pedal force trim

AAustringer I was thinking about it, is there any reason to FFB pedals if you don't fly warb...

Hiob•8/29/24, 5:54 AM

Sure. Next to the possibility of force trim, you can have all the same effects (like guns, stall shudder, ETL) like with the stick. Makes it even more immersive if stick and pedals are rumbling the same. My setup is on a moving platform and the engine/rotor vibration e.g. is felt through the whole contraption including my seat.

Scarlet•8/29/24, 6:51 AM

A lot of fighters have a pedal shaker stall warning. Would be cool to have that through FFB too

ddrake1984•8/29/24, 9:27 AM

Warm your hands?

HHiob Sure. Next to the possibility of force trim, you can have all the same effects (...

Austringer•8/29/24, 1:31 PM

Mine already vibrate for that stuff

AAustringer Mine already vibrate for that stuff

Hiob•8/29/24, 1:56 PM

You mean with a buttkicker kind of device?

HHiob You mean with a buttkicker kind of device?

Austringer•8/29/24, 2:12 PM

built in winwing haptics

Austringer•8/29/24, 2:46 PM

obviously not going to be as strong, but trying to decide if its really worth it for me to build it

AAustringer obviously not going to be as strong, but trying to decide if its really worth it...

Hiob•8/29/24, 2:56 PM

Obviously that is a matter of personal taste, can't really give you advice on that. All I can say is, that pretty much everyone who built or bought a Rhino is very happy. I am.

Xaero Zero•8/29/24, 2:56 PM

ability to customize stick feel right on fly in software, even not launching any sim is golden and alone worth it

Hiob•8/29/24, 2:57 PM

That is true

Xaero Zero•8/29/24, 2:57 PM

inertnia, spring force, damping, stick feels “real” instead of kinda springy feeling

HHiob Obviously that is a matter of personal taste, can't really give you advice on th...

Austringer•8/29/24, 3:07 PM

Oh there isn't a question about buying the Rhino, I've already got my invoice for that.

Austringer•8/29/24, 3:07 PM

I'm talking about Pedals only.

AAustringer Oh there isn't a question about buying the Rhino, I've already got my invoice fo...

Xaero Zero•8/29/24, 3:14 PM

personally I’m not a “flight” guy, but I will defo get MFG modded pedals, the only issue I currently face with that is lack of space, fitting everything into simracing rig is damn challenge

XXaero Zero personally I’m not a “flight” guy, but I will defo get MFG modded pedals, the on...

Austringer•8/29/24, 3:14 PM

I like MFG, but I prefer Winwing because of the ability to quickly remove the spring. this is huge for helo pilots.

Austringer•8/29/24, 3:15 PM

particularly when you fly fixed wing as well

AAustringer I like MFG, but I prefer Winwing because of the ability to quickly remove the sp...

Xaero Zero•8/29/24, 3:18 PM

i think Winwing might not fit into 50cm space I have (
but if you already have pedals itself, adding ffb is nobrainer there, the cost is not that big tbh

AAustringer I like MFG, but I prefer Winwing because of the ability to quickly remove the sp...

Xaero Zero•8/29/24, 3:22 PM

speaking of spring, with FFB pedals you can do that on fly in software (remove spring), @Hiob can assert on that more as I’m not that qualified with pedals

AAustringer I like MFG, but I prefer Winwing because of the ability to quickly remove the sp...

SamNFTY•8/29/24, 3:22 PM

How much easier is it to remove on the WW? The MFG isn't hard to remove

Xaero Zero•8/29/24, 3:24 PM

with ffb it should as quick as profile swap / move slider I guess )

AAustringer I like MFG, but I prefer Winwing because of the ability to quickly remove the sp...

Hiob•8/29/24, 3:32 PM

Well the FFB mod for the Crosswinds, there is no need anymore to remove the spring. Just have different profiles set for different Aircraft or change the setting on the fly.

Hiob•8/29/24, 3:34 PM

In fact the spring needs to be removed for the mod.

SSamNFTY How much easier is it to remove on the WW? The MFG isn't hard to remove

Austringer•8/29/24, 3:48 PM

5 seconds

Col. Sanders•8/29/24, 3:49 PM

Should take about the same time to remove the MFG. But as Hiob said that's one of the benefits of the FFB mod.

AAustringer I like MFG, but I prefer Winwing because of the ability to quickly remove the sp...

amadeus•8/29/24, 4:03 PM

There is no “spring” in FFB pedals (in fact, the conversion mod removes the spring). It’s entirely controlled in software. With TelemFFB there wouldn’t be any config to change between aircraft, you would just setup the pedals the way you want it to feel, and then everytime you fly that aircraft telemffb sets it up for you