Is it possible to use this G-Force effect for simulating the bobweight (i.e. to give consistent stic

Is it possible to use this G-Force effect for simulating the bobweight (i.e. to give consistent stick force per g regardless of stick position, usually in addition to the consistent force per unit of displacement by the spring), or is this something completely different?

一一五式艦上戦闘爆撃機Kyūden Is it possible to use this G-Force effect for simulating the bobweight (i.e. to ...

Hiob•9/9/24, 5:55 AM

The F-4 has its own g-effects and don't need the TelemFFN effect.
In fact the new effect comes very close to how the F4 feels. (because essentially it mimics the effect the bobweights have)
So if you want to have that in any plane. Now you can have it.

Hiob•9/9/24, 5:56 AM

You can test the old and new effect back to back with the old one.

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VPS_Choki•9/9/24, 12:44 PM

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hexpod•9/9/24, 7:15 PM

Someone can tell me if we can use “Hardware Force Trim” feature in il2? It seems inactive once the game is launched. Thanks.

Hhexpod Someone can tell me if we can use “Hardware Force Trim” feature in il2? It seems...

Number481•9/9/24, 7:54 PM

hardware trim is a function of the default spring effect which is created by configurator when no sim is running. That effect is overridden when a sim starts and creates its own spring effect.

You can use the "override trim" checkbox to force the hardware trim bindings on the spring effect owned by the sim (but this will override any in-game trim following that may be native to the sim).

NNumber481 hardware trim is a function of the default spring effect which is created by con...

hexpod•9/9/24, 8:00 PM

Thank you very much!

hexpod•9/9/24, 8:40 PM

Hhexpod Thank you very much!

hexpod•9/9/24, 8:41 PM

Should the big circle (trimmed “center”) be moving when the option “Override Trim” is activated?

hexpod•9/9/24, 8:48 PM

I can’t get it work

Hhexpod Should the big circle (trimmed “center”) be moving when the option “Override Tri...

Number481•9/9/24, 9:50 PM

Hmm… I forgot how wonky IL2s FFB implementation is. They manage two discrete effects for x and y. The override only seems to affect x or y, never both. But as soon as you release the button, the sim sets it back to center again.

You could enable “sticky”, but you’d lose all the dynamics of the spring effect from the sim.

Number481•9/9/24, 9:52 PM

Does IL2 not support FFB trim following natively? I thought it did, but I've never played it enough to remember one way or the other.

Hhexpod Someone can tell me if we can use “Hardware Force Trim” feature in il2? It seems...

Col. Sanders•9/9/24, 11:48 PM

Are you just wanting the stick to movie with your trimming? Mine does that without needing to use hardware force trim?

CCol. Sanders Are you just wanting the stick to movie with your trimming? Mine does that witho...

hexpod•9/10/24, 12:09 AM

The issue is that I would love to have more range to what il2 proposes. (Some trim range issues on bf109).

NNumber481 Hmm… I forgot how wonky IL2s FFB implementation is. They manage two discrete eff...

hexpod•9/10/24, 12:09 AM

Exactly, that’s the stupid behavior

hexpod•9/10/24, 12:11 AM

Sticky is a no go.

Hhexpod The issue is that I would love to have more range to what il2 proposes. (Some tr...

Col. Sanders•9/10/24, 12:22 AM

So you see the stick move on trimming but it doesn't feel like enough?

NNumber481 Hmm… I forgot how wonky IL2s FFB implementation is. They manage two discrete eff...

PokePoke•9/10/24, 1:49 PM

even sticky for me didn’t work at least for rudder. once the flight started, it force to hook in-game ffb data (or telemetry)

PPokePoke even sticky for me didn’t work at least for rudder. once the flight started, it ...

Number481•9/10/24, 2:00 PM

is this whole report about insufficient force related to pedals then?

NNumber481 is this whole report about insufficient force related to pedals then?

PokePoke•9/10/24, 2:02 PM

yes, except some planes, not whole planes this is the problem. so il2 planes and t152h has enough spring force. I mean only center spring force other effects are just fine. if you increase spring force gain for all planes,

PokePoke•9/10/24, 2:03 PM

then some plane will have way too high gain, but it is better than nothing bcz I can just lower the gain for the specific planes

PokePoke•9/10/24, 2:04 PM

note that it is only for center spring force, other effects are just fine, more than strong enough

PokePoke•9/10/24, 2:05 PM

I have 2 rudders, and i found that with 86 motor (tpr mod), it is high enough

PokePoke•9/10/24, 2:06 PM

only small motor have this problem

Kamini•9/10/24, 2:07 PM

Anyone here got experience with Virpils Z-Extension on the Rhino? How does it work? Does it calibrate well with the off center weight?

Kamini•9/10/24, 2:09 PM

And how is the centering? Cause I tried a curved extension once on my WW orion 2 and it just gained a massive dead zone in the center.

PPokePoke yes, except some planes, not whole planes this is the problem. so il2 planes and...

Number481•9/10/24, 2:18 PM

Rudders are completely different, so that would have been a useful data point up front

. The sim has no concept of FFB rudders and its all managed by TelemFFB. For DCS/IL2 the dynamic rudder forces are just "cheap" speed envelope based spring gain. You can modify the speeds in the advanced config for the pedal mode settings. IIRC, I got all of the speeds that are in the default profiles from https://aergistal.github.io/il2

If you reduce the VNE speed, the applied gain will be higher at a given speed below that value.

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NNumber481 Rudders are completely different, so that would have been a useful data point up...

PokePoke•9/10/24, 2:22 PM

Got it so by reducing Vne gain, make ffb think it is faster than as it is, so I can get higher spring force gain, right? but I think it is not only speed related I think it is speed + weight related. but anyways as long as we cannot adjust weight, the speed is the key

PokePoke•9/10/24, 2:22 PM

I will try

PPokePoke Got it so by reducing Vne gain, make ffb think it is faster than as it is, so I ...

Number481•9/10/24, 2:30 PM

reducing the VNE speed will just steepen slope of the linear force calculation. At a given speed. Here's a ChatGPT graph showing the applied force (vertical dashed lines) at a given speed (horizontal dashed line) given two very different VNE speed set points (458 vs 300).

PokePoke•9/10/24, 2:32 PM

got it, will try it

Thanks for the solution.

KKamini Anyone here got experience with Virpils Z-Extension on the Rhino? How does it wo...

Hiob•9/10/24, 5:38 PM

I don’t know about that particular extension, but generally speaking off-center/gooseneck extension aren‘t a problem. You can balance the stick with the configurator (unless the offset is extrem and the grip very heavy - you could probably still balance it, but the constant applied force will heat up the motors I assume). Why should an extension have an effect on the deadzone though? Btw, there is no deadzone on the Rhino by design.

HHiob I don’t know about that particular extension, but generally speaking off-center/...

Kamini•9/10/24, 7:16 PM

Dead zone is a bad way to describe it but basically the springs weren't strong enough to put it exactly in the center on their own. The last 2 degrees I had to push myself.

smitty•9/10/24, 7:25 PM

give it some more spring in the center:

NNumber481 Rudders are completely different, so that would have been a useful data point up...

hexpod•9/10/24, 9:19 PM

Can the user tweak the spring curve for ailerons and elevators according to the aircraft speed ?

smitty•9/10/24, 9:21 PM

yes in msfs/xplane

Hhexpod Can the user tweak the spring curve for ailerons and elevators according to the ...

Number481•9/10/24, 9:22 PM

Not in DCS/IL2.. its all part of the native implementation.

Hhexpod Can the user tweak the spring curve for ailerons and elevators according to the ...

Col. Sanders•9/10/24, 9:23 PM

Are you not getting any of the native feedback? I still never understood what the concern was with the trimming?

KKamini Dead zone is a bad way to describe it but basically the springs weren't strong e...

Hiob•9/10/24, 9:29 PM

Depending on your spring settings, you can have those issues with the Rhino. A long heavy grip emphasises the problem of course.

Piola•9/10/24, 11:28 PM

@walmis sry for the ping, preorders for the MFG rudders FFB kit opened months ago, is there a way to check the order status?

Austringer•9/10/24, 11:46 PM

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FlatSpin•9/11/24, 12:10 AM

can you share the link for the rudder ffb kit? I can't find it.

CCol. Sanders Are you not getting any of the native feedback? I still never understood what th...

hexpod•9/11/24, 12:11 AM

hexpod•9/11/24, 12:13 AM

Bf109 stabilizer at 100% positive and the plane still pitches up. The “Override Trim” feature doesn’t hold the overdriven trim position. That’s the issue

hexpod•9/11/24, 12:42 AM

Ok, I finally understood I think. You just may not to bind in-game stabilizer on the same button as the rhino trim. A nasty overcome but it seems to work.

Col. Sanders•9/11/24, 12:44 AM

I dont use the rhino trim. The in-game works fine with trim following of the stick.

DARRYL•9/11/24, 3:09 AM

I have played IL-2 GB a fair amount, but never (yet) with FFB. As I recall, IL-2 GB can easily double-bind different in-game functions (even opposing ones) to the same input. This can be both good and bad, depending on circumstances. Not saying that is the problem here, but it has caught me a few times in the past so I thought I'd just mention it to be thorough.

Is it possible to use this G-Force effect for simulating the bobweight (i.e. to give consistent stic

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