Are you just wanting the stick to movie with your trimming? Mine does that without needing to use ha
Are you just wanting the stick to movie with your trimming? Mine does that without needing to use hardware force trim?
HThe issue is that I would love to have more range to what il2 proposes. (Some trim range issues on bf109).
HExactly, that’s the stupid behavior
HSticky is a no go.
CSo you see the stick move on trimming but it doesn't feel like enough?
Peven sticky for me didn’t work at least for rudder. once the flight started, it force to hook in-game ffb data (or telemetry)
Nis this whole report about insufficient force related to pedals then?
Pyes, except some planes, not whole planes this is the problem. so il2 planes and t152h has enough spring force. I mean only center spring force other effects are just fine. if you increase spring force gain for all planes,
Pthen some plane will have way too high gain, but it is better than nothing bcz I can just lower the gain for the specific planes
Pnote that it is only for center spring force, other effects are just fine, more than strong enough
PI have 2 rudders, and i found that with 86 motor (tpr mod), it is high enough 
Ponly small motor have this problem
KAnyone here got experience with Virpils Z-Extension on the Rhino? How does it work? Does it calibrate well with the off center weight?
KAnd how is the centering? Cause I tried a curved extension once on my WW orion 2 and it just gained a massive dead zone in the center.
NRudders are completely different, so that would have been a useful data point up front 
. The sim has no concept of FFB rudders and its all managed by TelemFFB. For DCS/IL2 the dynamic rudder forces are just "cheap" speed envelope based spring gain. You can modify the speeds in the advanced config for the pedal mode settings. IIRC, I got all of the speeds that are in the default profiles from https://aergistal.github.io/il2
If you reduce the VNE speed, the applied gain will be higher at a given speed below that value.
. The sim has no concept of FFB rudders and its all managed by TelemFFB. For DCS/IL2 the dynamic rudder forces are just "cheap" speed envelope based spring gain. You can modify the speeds in the advanced config for the pedal mode settings. IIRC, I got all of the speeds that are in the default profiles from https://aergistal.github.io/il2If you reduce the VNE speed, the applied gain will be higher at a given speed below that value.
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PGot it so by reducing Vne gain, make ffb think it is faster than as it is, so I can get higher spring force gain, right? but I think it is not only speed related I think it is speed + weight related. but anyways as long as we cannot adjust weight, the speed is the key
PI will try
Nreducing the VNE speed will just steepen slope of the linear force calculation. At a given speed. Here's a ChatGPT graph showing the applied force (vertical dashed lines) at a given speed (horizontal dashed line) given two very different VNE speed set points (458 vs 300).
Pgot it, will try it Thanks for the solution.
Thanks for the solution.
HI don’t know about that particular extension, but generally speaking off-center/gooseneck extension aren‘t a problem. You can balance the stick with the configurator (unless the offset is extrem and the grip very heavy - you could probably still balance it, but the constant applied force will heat up the motors I assume). Why should an extension have an effect on the deadzone though? Btw, there is no deadzone on the Rhino by design.
KDead zone is a bad way to describe it but basically the springs weren't strong enough to put it exactly in the center on their own. The last 2 degrees I had to push myself.
Sgive it some more spring in the center:
HCan the user tweak the spring curve for ailerons and elevators according to the aircraft speed ?
Syes in msfs/xplane
NNot in DCS/IL2.. its all part of the native implementation.
CAre you not getting any of the native feedback? I still never understood what the concern was with the trimming?
HDepending on your spring settings, you can have those issues with the Rhino. A long heavy grip emphasises the problem of course.
P@walmis sry for the ping, preorders for the MFG rudders FFB kit opened months ago, is there a way to check the order status?
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HBf109 stabilizer at 100% positive and the plane still pitches up. The “Override Trim” feature doesn’t hold the overdriven trim position. That’s the issue
HOk, I finally understood I think. You just may not to bind in-game stabilizer on the same button as the rhino trim. A nasty overcome but it seems to work.
CI dont use the rhino trim. The in-game works fine with trim following of the stick.
DI have played IL-2 GB a fair amount, but never (yet) with FFB. As I recall, IL-2 GB can easily double-bind different in-game functions (even opposing ones) to the same input. This can be both good and bad, depending on circumstances. Not saying that is the problem here, but it has caught me a few times in the past so I thought I'd just mention it to be thorough.
PI have a separate input (trim wheel) for trim in IL-2 GB & I get the same thing with the bf109 full trim & still it pitches up. I think it's just the way the fm & il2 are with ffb maybe?
CHmm ya idk I have mine set to a hat switch and primarily fly 109s and never have had issues with trim and my rhino. 
PI might try changing from the axis to hat see if that helps.
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HIt’s seems to be the specificity of the Messerschmitt. It’s not a bug it’s a feature so to speak
PAre you using a throw limiter adapter on your setup?
DNop ! I use only the settings in the "effects" tab of TelemFFB: Endstop/axis scaling/etc. Not a physical one
DFor now, I have a extension of 10cm/my virpil Alpha and the VP Force base
CThis is not true. You should be able to trim the stabilizer to get level flight. There might be some very specific power setting, altitude and wind that it is unable to trim properly, but that is not the inherent design. I have been flying all variants of the 109 a couple times a week for the last 9 months and have not had an issue getting trimmed level flight.
ICheck the knowledge base for the FFB mod for the MFGs made by Hiob. I did it to my pedals and it’s incredible.
HIn Dcs it’s a documented feature with a lot of discussion about the phenomenon that’s why I assumed it’s similar in Il2.
Please try it again: increase the airspeed up to 550 km/h with stabilizer setting 100% positive. If you take the hand off the stick you should see the nose going up.
Please try it again: increase the airspeed up to 550 km/h with stabilizer setting 100% positive. If you take the hand off the stick you should see the nose going up.
HCI will give it a shot and see. 