Check the debug/log file. Sounds like maybe a timeout issue on the gunner seat. But stick does go li

Check the debug/log file. Sounds like maybe a timeout issue on the gunner seat. But stick does go limp when starting DCS until a module/mission is loaded.

TTheAmazinGreat I’m sure you could use it this way, doesn’t have to be bound as twist in game.

Marsvinet•9/24/24, 5:09 PM

It is almost a solution, yes, but even then I have been unable to tune it so that it actually uses the entire range. I tried several tunings, but I could only get it to give me 1/4 of the axis

MMarsvinet It is almost a solution, yes, but even then I have been unable to tune it so tha...

TheAmazinGreatOP•9/24/24, 5:23 PM

Try selecting the debug grip and post a screenshot of the debug tab. Walmis will able to ID right away if he sees it but for my sake flex the brake axis a bit while the debug is running to show how the bits are processing.

TheAmazinGreatOP•9/24/24, 5:24 PM

You could also try the warbrd profile.

HHiob Do you hear the disconnect chirp?

Chubb•9/24/24, 6:23 PM

No chirps or anything on either problem and the software shows motors OKAY

TTheAmazinGreat Check the debug/log file. Sounds like maybe a timeout issue on the gunner seat. ...

Chubb•9/24/24, 6:25 PM

I will test tonight.
If it is a timeout issue, is there anything workaround or setting I'm missing?

TTheAmazinGreat Try selecting the debug grip and post a screenshot of the debug tab. Walmis will...

Marsvinet•9/24/24, 6:33 PM

Here you can see the 4th byte being the lever, then me using the missing 4-way, doing its thing on the bits 20-24

TheAmazinGreatOP•9/24/24, 6:54 PM

It looks like bits 5-8 are getting involved too. FF to FB when byte 4 is changing.

Unfortunately I don’t have a fix for you. I am more up on TM/WW protocols with VPF. My hope was it would look more like one of those. Might be time to ping Walmis.

Marsvinet•9/24/24, 7:40 PM

Oh, the early bit is the lever "button" which works, so that ain't an issue and can be ignored.I had a feeling there was no easy fix, this is on the driver-isch level

TheAmazinGreatOP•9/24/24, 7:45 PM

Did the 4 way work as expected on the debug profile? Were all 4 directions lighting up a RAW BTN?

Marsvinet•9/24/24, 8:04 PM

Yup, there they lit up

conman526•9/24/24, 10:15 PM

Hey @TheAmazinGreat , I want to build your version of the stick with the 86 motors. Which motor type did you use, or does your design work with either of the 86 motors? They have different lengths

TTheAmazinGreat Check the debug/log file. Sounds like maybe a timeout issue on the gunner seat. ...

Chubb•9/24/24, 11:27 PM

I've recreated the issue and have a log file to share.
Although there appears to be no errors when the problem occurs.

Cconman526 Hey @TheAmazinGreat , I want to build your version of the stick with the 86 moto...

TheAmazinGreatOP•9/25/24, 12:34 AM

It will work for both motor lengths, I made mine with the longer 86BLF04 motors.

MMarsvinet Oh, the early bit is the lever "button" which works, so that ain't an issue and ...

Touch_Of_Legend•9/26/24, 8:41 AM

Okay if you don’t get it fixed I’ll try to get myself plugged in when I’m home tonight.

It works and every single button works AND the brake lever is recognized as Axis

And I have no “twist” option on the CM

Touch_Of_Legend•9/26/24, 8:43 AM

Touch_Of_Legend•9/26/24, 8:47 AM

This is an older photo I had but I’ll take a new one for you so we can sort out your grip and get you flying again.

To be clear I have the original “Black” version of the Mongoos CM.

The original (1st run) has silver buttons and levers. Mine was v2 which has all black and red.

The next actual version was the CM2 which they replaced the thumb button with a Hat and changed out the 4 ways for 4 way + center press.

Some other comsmetic changes like lettering options in English/Russian but otherwise it’s pretty much the same grip as the CM2 without the thumb hat.

Anyway I’ll plug it in later to see what we see and how we can get this fixed for ya

Uneasy•9/26/24, 10:38 AM

Hello here, I've just made an order and got invoice request, but realised I've made a mistake - tried to reply to the email and/or send it to vp@vpforce.eu, but it gets bounced back that it could not be delivered. How else I can get into contact with someone about that ?

UUneasy Hello here, I've just made an order and got invoice request, but realised I've m...

Hiob•9/26/24, 10:46 AM

Talk to @walmis

Uneasy•9/26/24, 10:47 AM

Thanks yeh just realised who it redirects to so I am on it

TTouch_Of_Legend This is an older photo I had but I’ll take a new one for you so we can sort out ...

Marsvinet•9/26/24, 6:03 PM

Even using the same settings as pictured, my brake lever isn't recognized as an axis. I'm starting to wonder what kind of bastard of a grip i've got

buzzbomb•9/26/24, 7:37 PM

same firmware?

gregd4594•9/27/24, 6:14 AM

Hello. Need help to troubleshoot VKB grip. MCG Pro Add-On Grip for Gunfighter IV + blackbox 3 (brand new). Rhino VKB adapter.
Blackbox is blinking red - all 3 red lights. VKB software sees blackbox but not grip.
I disassembled Rhino adapter checked voltage. There is +3.3 and 2.7 for signal .
Any suggestions?

Col. Sanders•9/27/24, 6:17 AM

Flash the correct firmware and should be good.

gregd4594•9/27/24, 6:25 AM

I did flash firmware in first place - but didn't press "magic" Default button - that did the trick of device init

Col. Sanders•9/27/24, 6:27 AM

Yep if you have the right firmware you just have to click default anytime you switch the stick. I go between 3 vkb sticks depending on what I'm flying. Slightly annoying process but pretty simple once you remember to always do it

Touch_Of_Legend•9/27/24, 10:18 AM

Is you grip the original T50 with the silver buttons and palm rest or the black edition like mine?

When I get plugged in I’ll snap a pic of the grip so we can compare but for sure don’t worry I’ll help you get this sorted out

MMarsvinet Even using the same settings as pictured, my brake lever isn't recognized as an ...

Touch_Of_Legend•9/27/24, 10:19 AM

I got you bro (see above)

TTouch_Of_Legend Is you grip the original T50 with the silver buttons and palm rest or the black ...

Marsvinet•9/27/24, 10:27 AM

It has the black buttons and lever

MMarsvinet It has the black buttons and lever

Touch_Of_Legend•9/27/24, 1:48 PM

Got it.

Here is a photo of the grip I use.

Virpil Mongoos T-50CM

This is the second release version called “Black Edition”

It’s the original controller as you can see we don’t have the Thumb Hat we have a Button and some of our 4 ways don’t have center press where the CM2 does and some of the 4 ways are 8 way now on the CM2.

Touch_Of_Legend•9/27/24, 1:48 PM

Touch_Of_Legend•9/27/24, 1:49 PM

See the photo on the left has no 4 way where the thumb is.

I assume yours is the same?

Or you have the OG version with silver buttons, brake, and palm rest.

Either way it’s the same we are NOT the CM2

Touch_Of_Legend•9/27/24, 1:51 PM

Below I’ll post the settings I use but “Buyer beware” I haven’t plugged it in for a while so I might be using outdated software.

When I set it up to fly I’ll redo ALL my software so it’s up to date but yeah… this was how I used it and it works great.

Touch_Of_Legend•9/27/24, 1:51 PM

And here is a video of the brake lever in action.

Works great

Touch_Of_Legend•9/27/24, 1:59 PM

Hopefully that can help but if not I’ll try to dig around and see what I actually did…

I remember having the same issue you describe like it was acting like the brake lever was a bunch of buttons and some of them were intermittently firing at random times..

Setting it to an Axis and calibrating it fixed it

Touch_Of_Legend•9/27/24, 2:15 PM

So yeah that’s how the Rhino sits for now..

I’ll get it all set up again soon once thing settle back down and I can Fly again.

Touch_Of_Legend•9/27/24, 2:15 PM

Touch_Of_Legend•9/27/24, 2:18 PM

And yeah I’m that dude… who puts a plastic cover on top of a dust cover

TTouch_Of_Legend And yeah I’m that dude… who puts a plastic cover on top of a dust cover 🤣🤣

Hiob•9/27/24, 3:27 PM

You would get along well with my GF…..

Wwalmis Looks like the VFX grip (maybe new grip revision?) has indeed larger register th...

FZ1•9/27/24, 8:26 PM

I'm also getting this Z axis behaviour on my Virpil Alpha grip. Will that also be fixed in a future firmware update please? Thanks.

Anthony•9/28/24, 2:02 AM

Question: preordered the VPC FLNKR grip. It’s got an analog thumb stick instead of a trim hat.

If I connect the grip to the VPC software and configure it to have virtual buttons on the thumb stick reaching full X and Y deflection (so i.e. giving it virtual Up/Down & Left/Right buttons), store that to the grip and then connect it to the Rhino…

The Rhino should then be detecting those virtual buttons, right?

Anthony•9/28/24, 2:03 AM

Bit of a clumsy workaround but I don’t wanna go without a trim hat for Western planes, and there’s nothing in the Rhino software to create virtual buttons from an axis

AAnthony Question: preordered the VPC FLNKR grip. It’s got an analog thumb stick instead ...

Number481•9/28/24, 2:35 AM

1.) Nothing is stored in the grip itself on VPC hardware... only the base.
2.) Walmis is going to have to create a profile in the firmware - whomever gets theirs first will need to send him all the mappings using the debug output
3.) The mini stick on the Alpha also has button presses (or POV events) with full excursion in each direction, depending on the "hats as buttons" setting in configurator

buzzbomb•9/28/24, 4:21 AM

So, to get the [no longer produced] Virpil Delta supported in the configurator, do i just need to send the mappings in the debug output?

buzzbomb•9/28/24, 4:21 AM

even though its no longer produced, its one of my goto grips due to being ambidexterous

TTouch_Of_Legend Below I’ll post the settings I use but “Buyer beware” I haven’t plugged it in fo...

Marsvinet•9/28/24, 11:03 AM

Our configurator versions are the same and our grip serial numbers are only ~150 apart, mine being in the 1300 range. Real strange that mine acts the way it does.

NNumber481 1.) Nothing is stored in the grip itself on VPC hardware... only the base. 2.) W...

Anthony•9/28/24, 11:03 AM

Oh, I kept reading the VPC instructions as the changes being stored and saved in the grip?

But it’s reasonable to assume it’ll be possible to get virtual/POV buttons from the mini stick by default anyway then? Those wouldn’t interfere with the axes of the mini stick btw?

AAnthony Oh, I kept reading the VPC instructions as the changes being stored and saved in...

Dracks•9/28/24, 12:57 PM

Normally it's saved in the base and not the grip (unless it's new??). If you plug in Rhino + Virpil grip, it doesn't appear in the VPC configurator.

I'm also waiting for their new grip and could test all that but I'm not worried about the configuration with the Rhino base.

I imagine that with the Rhino configurator you'll still be able to choose what to do with these hats.

DDracks Normally it's saved in the base and not the grip (unless it's new??). If you plu...

Anthony•9/28/24, 1:16 PM

Yeah I know, but I’ve got the collective so reckoned I could connect the grip to it to configure it

Anthony•9/28/24, 1:16 PM

Obv a bit of a hassle, but sounds like it’s not necessary now anyway

AAnthony Yeah I know, but I’ve got the collective so reckoned I could connect the grip to...

Dracks•9/28/24, 1:21 PM

Not sure I understood your question or problem

.

What I mean is that there's no point in plugging in your grip and configuring it via vpc config tool because nothing will be saved on it. Your Rhino base and your grip will be configured via the Rhino software.

Sorry if I'm missing the point, but I don't really see the problem at this stage (apart from the fact that Walmis may have to update its software to be compatible with the latest Virpil grips).

Check the debug/log file. Sounds like maybe a timeout issue on the gunner seat. But stick does go li

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