I'm looking for a little help with the Mig-19 in DCS. The stick just flops around - I.e. there's no

I'm looking for a little help with the Mig-19 in DCS. The stick just flops around - I.e. there's no return force or any sort of "spring" effect on the stick at all

Any idea what I'm doing wrong?

Oomohat I'm looking for a little help with the Mig-19 in DCS. The stick just flops aroun...

tanr•10/11/24, 8:48 PM

I just did a quick test on the MiG-19 and I get "correct" spring and effects. In TelemFFB I see that it loaded my configurator file for the Jet class, and that it shows the plane matches "MiG-19.*".

I haven't updated to the most recent TelemFFB yet. New to Rhino so nothing else to suggest.

Oomohat I'm looking for a little help with the Mig-19 in DCS. The stick just flops aroun...

Number481•10/11/24, 8:59 PM

Should just work AFAIK (I don't own the 19)... other aircraft are working fine?

Seattime•10/12/24, 12:50 AM

I have 4 VPforce motors and two usb drivers which I now use for stick and rudder pedals (3 motors), can I purchase just one more usb driver to run the spare motor for a collective?

NNumber481 Should just work AFAIK (I don't own the 19)... other aircraft are working fine?

omohatOP•10/12/24, 5:15 AM

Yes - other aircraft are working fine. I can see that "Mig-19" is being matched in the Jet Class so I'm at a bit of a loss as to why

CCynemi I was just about to say that I use a VKB Gunfighter grip in metal, no extension ...

lolof1•10/12/24, 7:46 AM

@Cynemi

Hi .

Please ,I look your Setting-effect And I would like to test them too.

Could you show me your #Setting please

Thank you so much in advance/Laurent

Llolof1 @Cynemi Hi . Please ,I look your Setting-effect And I would like to test them...

Cynemi•10/12/24, 11:32 AM

Absolutely,
everything here is just the default

Wwalmis There's also this bolt, that sandwitches the gimbal together, tightening it migh...

DukeofHyrule•10/12/24, 2:24 PM

So i've got cracking noises on my roll axis at high spring forces when i move the stick past a certain point to the left and the right. Found this message and removed the stick mount so i get access to the bolt like in this picture.
But how do i tighten it now? If i try to it just rotates the nut together with the screw (which makes sense i guess because there's no holding force on the screw).
Do i have to disassemble the whole thing or how do i do it? Or are there other possible causes of that cracking noise that i could check out first?

CCynemi Absolutely, everything here is just the default 🙂

tanr•10/12/24, 5:48 PM

Is it possible you just don’t have the Rhino axes mapped to pitch and roll for the MiG19?

Ttanr Is it possible you just don’t have the Rhino axes mapped to pitch and roll for t...

omohatOP•10/12/24, 7:48 PM

I think you may have meant this for me maybe?

I managed to figure out a solution. Flying without TelemFFB the stick was fine - felt normal.

As soon as I enabled TelemFFB and it matched the Mig-19.* profile the stick would be limp with no return force

I created a new TelemFFB profile for the Mig-19 by cloning (and tweaking) the F-5E profile and it's ok now

Something wierd in the original profile was causing this behaviour I guess

Henning Piez•10/13/24, 6:47 PM

Hi, has anyone a fix for my problem. Build a collective and an Rudder with the big 86BLF04 . First I had no FFB Effekts but the spring effect was perfect over the whole travel. No I changed the normal settings above, now I get FFB in Flight, but I have a big deadzone without resistance . Even Steps are not counted in that area. The dead zone is not in the middle, but at the position the collective or rudder is at the moment and you start the movement.

HHenning Piez Hi, has anyone a fix for my problem. Build a collective and an Rudder with the b...

Hiob•10/13/24, 7:04 PM

When you have no position readings of the motors - have you checked the hardware? Maybe the pulley came loose on the motor axis.

Hiob•10/13/24, 7:05 PM

For all I can say, wether the application FFB works properly or not. The raw readings in VP config should show the slightest movement.

Number481•10/13/24, 7:12 PM

At the risk of asking stupid questions…did you calibrate the axes in configurator?

NNumber481 At the risk of asking stupid questions…did you calibrate the axes in configurato...

Henning Piez•10/13/24, 7:23 PM

I did and steps are also at 2048 in mid position

HHiob When you have no position readings of the motors - have you checked the hardware...

Henning Piez•10/13/24, 7:25 PM

Piñon is perfect mounted at the motor. When power is of, cogging is in the full travel. Strange is that both devices has exactly the same behavior

HHenning Piez Piñon is perfect mounted at the motor. When power is of, cogging is in the full...

Hiob•10/13/24, 7:32 PM

Hmm, maybe check the gain map for issues.... other than that no ideas at the moment

ionutned•10/13/24, 7:41 PM

Hey everyone, for the last few days I've had problems with my rhino in DCS, when either the roll axis or both are not generating any force. When I exit DCS it goes back to spring mode and becomes alive. Everything looks ok in the configurator, so it doesn't seem like a hardware/firmware issue, it's just in game. It used to just work, not sure what happened. I think the only thing I changed was the telemffb update.
Has anyone had similar issues?

Iionutned Hey everyone, for the last few days I've had problems with my rhino in DCS, when...

Number481•10/13/24, 7:47 PM

To rule out any of the override features you may have inadvertently enabled, does the same happen without TelemFFB running? Remember that the spring effect is part of the native sim implementation, not TelemFFB.

HHenning Piez I did and steps are also at 2048 in mid position

Number481•10/13/24, 7:48 PM

The blue dot does not smoothly follow the axis as you move it through the range of motion? A short clip showing the configurator window as your moving the axis might shed some light.

NNumber481 To rule out any of the override features you may have inadvertently enabled, doe...

ionutned•10/13/24, 7:52 PM

yes, the same happens once I start DCS, with or without TelemFFB. What override features are you referring to?

Iionutned yes, the same happens once I start DCS, with or without TelemFFB. What override ...

Number481•10/13/24, 7:58 PM

There’s the general spring override, there are configurator gain overrides, etc.

Are you by chance using SimHaptic?

NNumber481 There’s the general spring override, there are configurator gain overrides, etc....

ionutned•10/13/24, 8:00 PM

Not using simhaptic.
The thing is I haven't changed anything in the settings recently, so I can't imagine it's related. I can only thing of either the telemffb update and dcs update

Number481•10/13/24, 8:06 PM

Like I said, TelemFFB doesn’t do anything with the spring and obviously if it’s not running, it’s not doing anything at all.

Did you double check FFB didn’t disable itself in DCS?

What specifically are you flying?

NNumber481 The blue dot does not smoothly follow the axis as you move it through the range ...

Henning Piez•10/13/24, 8:29 PM

TeleFFB is off and I have that problem. Blue dot is not moving when starting the movement until the Force starts. Pinion is perfectly mounted for sure. We are speaking of only the standby behaviour at the moment. In Xplane the deadzone is the same... I upload a video now. Feels like there is an encoder plate loose and giving no signal.... But on two motors and controllers at the same way. Independent Controller, independent Power Supply.

Henning Piez•10/13/24, 8:30 PM

Henning Piez•10/13/24, 8:31 PM

Number481•10/13/24, 8:40 PM

When you run the auto calibrate, does the dot move the full range of the axis?

Henning Piez•10/13/24, 8:43 PM

Reseted Config… same Problem

Henning Piez•10/13/24, 8:45 PM

Sorry

Henning Piez•10/13/24, 8:45 PM

Pinions on Rudder and Collective were loose the same time

Henning Piez•10/13/24, 8:50 PM

When Power was of, the cogging was on the complete travel, so I thought the pinions are ok...

Number481•10/13/24, 8:54 PM

It happens

HHenning Piez Pinions on Rudder and Collective were loose the same time 😟

Hiob•10/13/24, 9:07 PM

see

that was an educated guess from experience!

Henning Piez•10/13/24, 9:12 PM

20 Years of being a field service engineer teached me to be sceptical when an error is the same on two units.... But it learned me also never trust new spare parts.... even after changing two times , both spare parts can be broken :-9

NNumber481 Like I said, TelemFFB doesn’t do anything with the spring and obviously if it’s ...

ionutned•10/13/24, 9:37 PM

there's a "force feedback" checkbox in dcs, if that's what you mean. I tried both f-18 and f-16. The strange thing is that sometimes the pitch axis does work, without any changes to anything.

HHenning Piez 20 Years of being a field service engineer teached me to be sceptical when an er...

Hiob•10/13/24, 9:43 PM

The Rhino is first a machine designed to shake itself apart and second a fun input device.

The loose pinion gear wasn’t the last thing I had to retighten and fixate with loctide.

HHiob The Rhino is first a machine designed to shake itself apart and second a fun inp...

Henning Piez•10/13/24, 9:47 PM

Ok, Now I understand the name "joystick"

HHiob The Rhino is first a machine designed to shake itself apart and second a fun inp...

Bob Bushman•10/13/24, 11:27 PM

I mounted a couple of transducers to a recliner once for movie watching.

It was potent but cheap kit, it could make the 80lbs chair rattle across the floor like an old nokia phone would across a glass table.

With my 200lbs butt sitting in it.

And the chair was just shaken beyond function in a matter of months.

CoolHand•10/14/24, 12:06 AM

Hey all, I'm new to this joystick and having issues with the AH64. When I force trim it snaps the stick almost all the way to the right. I have the special settings to INSTANT TRIM and the pedals to WITHOUT SPRINGS AND FFB

CoolHand•10/14/24, 12:24 AM

Ah I figured it out. The "swap axis" box was checked, which inhibited it form working.

CCoolHand Ah I figured it out. The "swap axis" box was checked, which inhibited it form wo...

Number481•10/14/24, 12:27 AM

As a rule, to ensure a proper experience:

Make sure the axes directions are set correctly in configurator such that the position dot follow the stick inputs correctly. This ensures that “FFB direction” and “axis direction” are in sync.
don’t use curves in DCS axis settings
don’t use saturation in DCS axis settings

H. Bear•10/15/24, 5:32 AM

G'day @walmis , unfortunately my WinWing adapter snapped at the threaded collar.
Could you let me know how to get another or if there's an stl I can try to print a replacement.
#VPF-0702
Cheers.

H. Bear•10/15/24, 5:32 AM

PiNKSH!T•10/15/24, 9:32 AM

@walmis sorry to ping you, but just about to use my rhino in a dcs op first time since the recalibration you did. Is it ok for me to import & apply old config profiles or will that break the new calibration you did on the x motor?

PPiNKSH!T @walmis sorry to ping you, but just about to use my rhino in a dcs op first time...

Hiob•10/15/24, 9:46 AM

I don't know of course what Walmis did with your motor, but in general the auto calibration in the VP config is supposed to be a user level exercise that can (and must) be performed whenever you change something, like installing a throw limiter, change or re-tighten the belts etc.
So I think it is save to say, that you certainly won't break anything if you do a calibration. Just look at the monitor in the config tab and see if everything is properly centered. Otherwise do a calibration.

HHiob I don't know of course what Walmis did with your motor, but in general the auto ...

PiNKSH!T•10/15/24, 9:48 AM

Nah walmis did some sort of motor recalibration. It all looked like ancient runes & magic to me

PPiNKSH!T Nah walmis did some sort of motor recalibration. It all looked like ancient rune...

Hiob•10/15/24, 10:02 AM

I think that is saved on a deep firmware level and not affected by user profiles.

HHiob I think that is saved on a deep firmware level and not affected by user profiles...

PiNKSH!T•10/15/24, 10:04 AM

awesome, thanks for your help m8

I'm looking for a little help with the Mig-19 in DCS. The stick just flops around - I.e. there's no

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