If specifically looking for an f16 it is the one aircraft this can't simulate better than anything e

If specifically looking for an f16 it is the one aircraft this can't simulate better than anything else.
Since its using a force cm sending system with very little movement.
For that, specifically, I'd look into the realsimulator.com force sensing gimbal and grips.
But it's at least a 1k euro for the gimbal and grip.

JJon (Bounty_V)So Meta Connect is in 13.5 hours, we'll likely see final details about Meta Ques...

Spatz•9/27/23, 11:04 AM

High hopes for a new headset from valve

Jon (Bounty_V)•9/27/23, 11:06 AM

Would be nice

MMaverick34 Hi I'm new here. Im trying to save for a F-16 setup and was wondering how much t...

Fierce_Fire•9/27/23, 11:55 AM

what about the winwing f16 mfssb?

BBob Bushman If specifically looking for an f16 it is the one aircraft this can't simulate be...

Maverick34•9/27/23, 12:11 PM

Okay thank you. Im looking to get a VR headset and a good hotas so I might go for the Winwing Orion 2 or something

Bob BushmanOP•9/27/23, 12:14 PM

Winwing also have a slightly less expensive force sensing base as well, but it handles it selves a little bit different than the realsim setup, granted almost half the price.

I own the winwing orion 2 and f16 throttle myself and find that great value for the viper.

Maverick34•9/27/23, 4:20 PM

It's still not cheap haha

Maverick34•9/27/23, 4:21 PM

Might be saving for awhile

Eraseri•9/27/23, 5:30 PM

Hi, I tried to check from FAQ but didn't have an answer. So my question is related to production amount/capacity. As we see from previous shipped Rhino the median waiting time is 218. With the current rate of Rhinos produced during little over month or so my estimated waiting time is little over one year. So the question is, are there any plans put in place to increase the production?

Maverick34•9/27/23, 5:31 PM

If I'm looking for budget should I do the X56 as is cheap and I'm going to use mainly VR?

Bob BushmanOP•9/27/23, 5:49 PM

This is not a general HOTAS discord, it is solely for the VPRhino and DIY projects around the kits etc.
Other discussion servers will likely help you better.

Maverick34•9/27/23, 6:14 PM

Apologies

MMaverick34 If I'm looking for budget should I do the X56 as is cheap and I'm going to use m...

Fr4Ged•9/27/23, 6:23 PM

better ask in a discord that is dedicated to the game you are planning to play in VR. like DCS discord etc.
they usually can recommend stuff.

Bob BushmanOP•9/27/23, 8:58 PM

Yeah us right here tend to be further down the rabbit hole. To a point where we heard of 1000€ force feedback flightstick gimbal and we go "that's so cheap, take my money. Now I'll be sitting on my porch for 18 months before it arrives"..

FlatSpin•9/27/23, 9:29 PM

he could hire more people and charge $1500 euros, pick your poison. I'll take the $1K option.

MMashedPotato Own rhino, but never flown. Do have a damper on my pedals, and I will say the rh...

Lassekongo•9/27/23, 11:56 PM

Ah nice

AAndyHill as far as I can tell the rhino is in a league of its own, the abovementioned adj...

Lassekongo•9/27/23, 11:58 PM

I got one on my mfg pedals and the same model on winwing collective. I want it to replicate as close to the hydrualic feel these give and my vkb with the rc dampers does so glad if the rhino seems to come close

VVPforceBot :package: 🇳🇴 **RHINO #0203** Has Shipped!

ToreDL87•9/28/23, 5:45 AM

Yo, who's the fellow Norwegian Rhino owner?

Bob BushmanOP•9/28/23, 8:07 AM

Must admit i was curious, still some 280 days left for me

VPforceBot•9/28/23, 9:13 AM

:package:

RHINO #0206 Has Shipped!

TrigaNZ•9/28/23, 9:26 AM

Ooo, another Kiwi….Watch out for the tax man

FFlatSpin he could hire more people and charge $1500 euros, pick your poison. I'll take t...

Eraseri•9/28/23, 10:35 AM

My guess is that queue is already very long. I doubt that hiring someone would increase the price on its own. More users of the stick translates to more orders if/when the product is performing well. Less queue-time also leads to more orders. More orders translates to bigger purchases of components -> lower component prices.

Mustang 1-1•9/28/23, 12:47 PM

Guys I have two things. So I just got my rhino and I am now testing it out as you would. Let me say after using a cls-e brunner with a long extension and metal joystick, it really sucks. Bro compared to that the rhino takes some muscle to pull it out of trim or if under g load! And for prepar3d. I am convinced p3d ffb works better than dcs ffb. I had to tick an option and what effects I wanted in the sim and dude it is implemented better than dcs. I haven’t tried xplane. But yeah this thing is crazy man.

Mustang 1-1•9/28/23, 12:48 PM

And I have a certain aircraft where it’s also coded in the .cfg file so the effects are true-life

Mustang 1-1•9/28/23, 12:48 PM

As this works, I am sure xplane will too.

Mustang 1-1•9/28/23, 12:48 PM

Thanks so much @walmis

Mustang 1-1•9/28/23, 12:51 PM

T-38C talon flight simulator and T-6A Texan

Number481•9/28/23, 12:51 PM

Does P3D have native FFB support then?

Mustang 1-1•9/28/23, 1:21 PM

Yes

Mustang 1-1•9/28/23, 1:21 PM

It’s amazing. And if you are having troubles with it I have some code I can give you to plug into your aircraft.cfg file

Mustang 1-1•9/28/23, 1:22 PM

I have code from a commercial module

TToreDL87 Yo, who's the fellow Norwegian Rhino owner?

Antares•9/28/23, 3:31 PM

That would be me

MMustang 1-1 It’s amazing. And if you are having troubles with it I have some code I can give...

Fer•9/28/23, 7:04 PM

Can you share it ?

Mustang 1-1•9/28/23, 9:48 PM

You would have to send me the aircraft file in the simobjects folder. It’s really complicated in where it needs to go. What aircraft do you fly. I can post the code if you want but you will have no clue where to put it.

Fer•9/28/23, 11:53 PM

I fly the feelthere ejets

Mustang 1-1•9/29/23, 12:35 AM

Okay. Go to your p3d file directory and go to the simobjects folder and copy the aircraft folder(s) you want ffb in. Send them to me somehow and I will see what I can do.

Mustang 1-1•9/29/23, 12:36 AM

There’s a possibility there’s nothing I can do. It’s all up to the developer in the more advanced code I can’t edit. You will also have to enable ffb in p3d client settings

ToreDL87•9/29/23, 4:25 AM

Wonder if Combat Flight Sim 3 (with a floriad of cool mods over the years) would have nice FFB too then (even if the engine is slightly older).

FFlatSpin he could hire more people and charge $1500 euros, pick your poison. I'll take t...

Spatz•9/29/23, 7:00 AM

The Rhino Base is 800€ not 1.000€ or am I missing something?

SSpatz The Rhino Base is 800€ not 1.000€ or am I missing something?

Jon (Bounty_V)•9/29/23, 7:05 AM

Convert that plus shipping to $ and its pretty accurate

Spatz•9/29/23, 7:12 AM

Ah right - thanks for clarifying

Bob BushmanOP•9/29/23, 11:03 AM

Or shipping+ 25% tax, you get there and then some.

Hextopia•9/29/23, 12:01 PM

@_gunzablazin I'm still confused by the discussion. Does this logical recentering of the stick origin require changing the settings up in the VP force program? Because by default I'm fairly sure that's not the behavior of the stick. Or maybe is that one of the effects of using the telemFFB program?

HHextopia @_gunzablazin I'm still confused by the discussion. Does this logical recenterin...

walmis•9/29/23, 12:07 PM

DCS changes the center point when you trim certain aircraft, namely F-14, F-5, russian jets, WWII warbirds and others. For helos when you press trim release and move the stick to a new position and release it, the stick will be spring centered in that new physical position

HHextopia @_gunzablazin I'm still confused by the discussion. Does this logical recenterin...

Number481•9/29/23, 12:07 PM

No on both accounts. It is part of the DCS FFB implementation. DCS tells the base what the new center is when you release the force trim

Number481•9/29/23, 12:12 PM

I have only been trying to explain why instant trim is the correct mode for FFB and why it behaves the way it does with standard sprung joysticks

Hextopia•9/29/23, 12:37 PM

I think a better way to resolve my confusion is to just ask what the functional difference is between the instant trim and stick with no spring and FFB setting

Hextopia•9/29/23, 12:38 PM

Because all of what you're describing is also the behavior of the no spring and FFB trim setting from what I've seen

Number481•9/29/23, 12:42 PM

Well you’ll have to ask Eagle dynamics and/or the module developers because my understanding is that the “no springs and FFB” option is for regular non FFB joysticks without springs that rely on friction clutches. And, in my experience, the option does not activate FFB in any way (and therefor does not work). At least in UH1

Number481•9/29/23, 12:44 PM

Best to try all options and pick the one that works best for you the way you want to fly helos.

Hextopia•9/29/23, 12:47 PM

This is where my confusion comes in. I'll have to do some experimenting and report back on what the functional difference is

If specifically looking for an f16 it is the one aircraft this can't simulate better than anything e

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